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Re: Restrictions on house sharing by unrelated roommates

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift »

glitchc wrote: post #406
FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #296

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It was 1991 and we pooled money from 10 people. The house was super cheap ($60k) and in a very depressed area (Attica, Indiana). The seller was a person and not a bank.

Ah thanks. So the mortgage was quite small, still, hard to get one without income. Pooled ownership also makes it much more complicated.

I was the 'owner' of record. The others held rights to the house by agreement with me but all the responsibilities were mine.

The others could have just stopped paying 'rent' and I would be stuck with the full mortgage...or I could have just sold the place and walked away with everything.

Definitely an exercise in trust and mutual self interest.

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Post by itake »

TimorousBestie wrote: post #394
itake wrote: post #384

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How does social media solve the issue? I don't think it matters if the landlord or the tenant is advertising sexist/racist housing opportunities, its still sexist and racist, blocking certain groups from accessing housing. Landlords can't advertise racist/sexist whole-unit housing. Primary tenants shouldn't be allowed to advertise racist/sexist housing either.

> How does social media solve the issue? Huh? Who said anything about social media? Churches and other religious organizations are basically designed to promote and foster these kinds of in-group relationships. > Landlords can't advertise racist/sexist whole-unit housing. Primary tenants shouldn't be allowed to advertise racist/sexist housing either. It would be very strange to tell someone they can’t decide their ow…

You mentioned the internet. Way more people look for housing on social media than on church websites.

If non-profits and governments can operate SROs, hacker houses can operate co-ed inclusive housing, I don't see why people feel they .

Are we talking about dating or housing? Society agrees everyone deserves a place to live. Society (mostly) agrees that no one deserves romance.

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Post by someguynamedq »

tormeh wrote: post #98
Traster wrote: post #73

I don't like this line of reasoning because it's largely just crystalizing a loss. We have this in the UK - houses of multiple occupancy. It's a great idea where you take a home that in the 1980s would house a family and split it into 5 flats where each person can rent 10-20 square metres each. I would much rather someone did something to address the fact that the average family in the UK can afford roughly 1/5th the…

Voters don't actually want house prices to come down. Voters, in aggregate, want rents to fall and prices to rise, roughly divided by renters vs owners. Somehow the homeowners almost always win against the renters in this political tug-of-war. Perhaps because rents are downstream of values, and so it's politically easier for owners to make the correct choices to advance their agenda than it is for renters, which have…

The majority of voters and the majority of people involved in policymaking in government own real estate. It's dead simple

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Post by someguynamedq »

nradov wrote: post #88
Traster wrote: post #73

I don't like this line of reasoning because it's largely just crystalizing a loss. We have this in the UK - houses of multiple occupancy. It's a great idea where you take a home that in the 1980s would house a family and split it into 5 flats where each person can rent 10-20 square metres each. I would much rather someone did something to address the fact that the average family in the UK can afford roughly 1/5th the…

The UK has also had extremely high immigration rates since the 1980s. Whether that's good or bad policy isn't my place to say, but it certainly places extreme pressure on the housing market. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/lo...

Red herring. Population growth is relatively low overall. Regardless, it's possible to house people if it's a policy priority.

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Post by triceratops »

ndriscoll wrote: post #368
triceratops wrote: post #360

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> everyone else was on the same page You can't know that though. Unless you hold a referendum to renew the rules every year and they pass by a 100% majority. The only honest way to do it is without invoking government power. Move to a gated community. Have a neighborhood association, funded solely by residents, whose bylaws require that it gets to have any property up for sale in the community as long as it matches a…

I don't subscribe to pure anarchism. We also have local public schools, parks, libraries, bike trails, etc. funded by "other people's" (our) pockets. It's fine. The US at least has 10 million sq km. Plenty of room for different types of communities to exist. The are cities in multiple directions a few miles away with less restrictive zoning if people like the area but want apartments, townhomes, or advertising.

> We also have local public schools, parks, libraries, bike trails, etc. funded by "other people's" (our) pockets

The key being that anyone can use them. Everyone benefits. With restrictive zoning only property owners who want their neighborhood to remain unchanged benefit but everyone pays the cost.

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Post by lazyasciiart »

kronicum2025 wrote: post #312
tptacek wrote: post #123

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These are challenges for people sharing housing, but they're not the legal reason why letting out rooms is illegal. Prohibitions on multifamily housing are all rooted in racial animus. It's the entire reason we have single-family zoning (a related legal proscription), which emerged very shortly after the Buchanan v Warley decision that outlawed outright racial zoning. There's a long and well-documented history of thi…

So, people were not allowed to have their grandparent live in the same household as the parents? That seems awfully bad for social health.

A grandparent is the parent's parent, so that would be fine by all the variations that I've seen.

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Post by [deleted] »

tptacek wrote: post #408
dionidium wrote: post #407

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> A good starting point for reading about this is "Harland Bartholomew". He's the architect of what turned out to be St. Louis's ring suburb design Bartholomew was born 13 years after the Great Divorce between St. Louis City and County was approved by voters, establishing the city's modern borders, and ultimately dictating the "ring suburb design" that we see today.

You can just Google this. He's pretty famous! https://nextstl.com/2021/04/harland-bartholomew-destroyer-of...

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Re: Restrictions on house sharing by unrelated roommates

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Post by dionidium »

tptacek wrote: post #408
dionidium wrote: post #407

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> A good starting point for reading about this is "Harland Bartholomew". He's the architect of what turned out to be St. Louis's ring suburb design Bartholomew was born 13 years after the Great Divorce between St. Louis City and County was approved by voters, establishing the city's modern borders, and ultimately dictating the "ring suburb design" that we see today.

You can just Google this. He's pretty famous! https://nextstl.com/2021/04/harland-bartholomew-destroyer-of...

Yeah, that's how I knew that he was born 13 years after the establishment of the city's modern borders and that your original claim is incorrect (and, incidentally, not corroborated by the result of your quick google search, which doesn't even attempt to suggest that he had anything to do with the city's "ring suburb design").
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