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OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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Post by deelowe »

Manuel_D wrote: post #401
deelowe wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Water is much less of an issue than the media makes it out to be. It's a problem in some specific areas, yes, but power is a much better concern.

And even where water scarcity is a problem, heat exchangers can be configured to use wastewater. The Palo Verde plant does this.

Correct. There are a variety of solutions. Each DC is somewhat unique, but in general water isn't a huge concern. Cities make a big deal about it b/c they want the hyper scalers to give concessions such as processing gray water for the local muni.

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Post by TheAlchemist »

Folks old enough to have been around in 2000 have seen this movie before.

If this was such a great business, money would be coming from outside and Nvidia would be using its profits to scale production. But they know it's not and once the bubble pops, they profit margin evaporates in months. So they keep the ball rolling - this is pretty much equivalent to buying the cards from ... themselves.

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Post by pseudosavant »

elbasti wrote: post #403
ComputerGuru wrote: post #371

Framing it in gigawatts is very interesting given the controversy about skyrocketing electric prices for residential and small business users as a result of datacenters over the past three years, primarily driven by AI growth. If, as another commenter notes, this 10GW is how much Chicago and NYC use combined , then we need to have a serious discussion about where this power is going to come from given the dismal stat…

I work in the datacenter space. The power consumption of a data center is the "canonical" way to describe their size. Almost every component in a datacenter is upgradeable—in fact, the compute itself only has a lifespan of ~5 years—but the power requirements are basically locked-in. A 200MW data center will always be a 200MW data center, even though the flops it computes will increase. The fact that we use this unit…

I love that term "refining energy". We need to plan for massive growth in electricity production to have the supply to refine.

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Post by baggachipz »

fatal_errr wrote: post #348
agentultra wrote: post #298

Water is a critical resource in dwindling supplies in many water-stressed regions. These data centers have been known to suck up water supplies during active droughts. Is there anyone left at the EPA that gets a say in how we manage water for projects like this?

the e p what?

The entire premise of The Simpsons Movie is an artifact of another time. Sigh.

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Post by thorncorona »

agentultra wrote: post #298

Water is a critical resource in dwindling supplies in many water-stressed regions. These data centers have been known to suck up water supplies during active droughts. Is there anyone left at the EPA that gets a say in how we manage water for projects like this?

We deplete our midwestern aquifers to make ethanol which we burn, and we grow almonds in California.

Both of those have significantly more water impact. Both of those are significantly less useful.

Why not focus on issues that matter.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

gpm wrote: post #353
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A big power station of any type is ~1GW. Nuclear is slow to build, so I'd have to guess natural gas.

The US is adding significantly more solar, and slightly more wind, than natural gas every year. This doesn't have to be placed where people already are, but can be placed where energy is the cheapest, which favours solar and wind substantially more than gas (or nuclear). The reasonable (cost effective, can be done quickly) thing to do is put this wherever you can generate solar + wind the most reliably, build out a g…

Trump is personally and vindictively against green energy.

He wants coal and gas.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

JoshGlazebrook wrote: post #370

No one ever talks about the electricity demands for powering these things. Electric bills here in NJ via PSEG have spiked over 50% and they are blaming increased demand from datacenters, yet they don't seem to charge datacenters more? https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/new-jersey-utilit...

That is on NJ government for allowing the price increases. They can easily say no.

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Post by gitpusher »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #371

Framing it in gigawatts is very interesting given the controversy about skyrocketing electric prices for residential and small business users as a result of datacenters over the past three years, primarily driven by AI growth. If, as another commenter notes, this 10GW is how much Chicago and NYC use combined , then we need to have a serious discussion about where this power is going to come from given the dismal stat…

> Framing it in gigawatts is very interesting given the controversy

Exactly. When I saw the headline I assumed it would contain some sort of ambitious green energy build-out, or at least a commitment to acquire X% of the energy from renewable sources. That's the only reason I can think to brag about energy consumption

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Post by bwfan123 »

seydor wrote: post #270

We are way past peak LLM and it shows. They are basically advertise spacing heating as if it's some sort of advancement, while the tech seems to have stagnated, and they re just making the horses faster. The market should have punished this

> We are way past peak LLM

in the sense that all of the positive narrative is getting priced in.

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Post by thorncorona »

leptons wrote: post #99
delfinom wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Consumers are screwed and $500/month electric bills are coming for the average consumer within a year or two. We do not have the electricity available for this.

I'm pretty average, living in a small home, and my electric bill is already >$500/mo in the summer, and that's with the A/C set at 76F during the day.

Where do you live? How old is your house?

500 is insane.

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