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Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by A_D_E_P_T »

idiomat9000 wrote: post #379
Bukhmanizer wrote: post #92

The issue is that American media/discourse paints a very distorted view of what life under authoritarian rule is like. The truth is in many countries, unless you’re some kind of minority, politically active, or in legal trouble, day-to-day life is mostly similar to life in the west. But people don’t want to hear that, because we want to feel better than them. Like we wouldn’t tolerate that kind of life. Of course the…

No, it is not. It seems that way if you are a (s)expat in the honeymoonphase. Then you learn the language and look into the abyss. In it families who can not trust one another, hierarchies of incompetence with bribes upon bribes, no legal recourse to anything, a caste system of actual misery and no perspective for that to ever change. And that is peace time. In wartime the ethnic majority progroms and kicks everyone…

Literally none (0%) of this applies to China.

Burma, maybe. But even that's a stretch. You're exaggerating for dramatic or comedic effect, that much is certain.

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by KolibriFly »

seydor wrote: post #23

No there is a major difference when social credit is centralized to a single authority , and people cannot use the law to protect from that authority. otherwise, people have always judged each other with any way they could

Once a single authority controls the "score," though, it stops being just social feedback and becomes structural power

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by pavlov »

idiomat9000 wrote: post #379
Bukhmanizer wrote: post #92

The issue is that American media/discourse paints a very distorted view of what life under authoritarian rule is like. The truth is in many countries, unless you’re some kind of minority, politically active, or in legal trouble, day-to-day life is mostly similar to life in the west. But people don’t want to hear that, because we want to feel better than them. Like we wouldn’t tolerate that kind of life. Of course the…

No, it is not. It seems that way if you are a (s)expat in the honeymoonphase. Then you learn the language and look into the abyss. In it families who can not trust one another, hierarchies of incompetence with bribes upon bribes, no legal recourse to anything, a caste system of actual misery and no perspective for that to ever change. And that is peace time. In wartime the ethnic majority progroms and kicks everyone…

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Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by dominicrose »

Bukhmanizer wrote: post #92

The issue is that American media/discourse paints a very distorted view of what life under authoritarian rule is like. The truth is in many countries, unless you’re some kind of minority, politically active, or in legal trouble, day-to-day life is mostly similar to life in the west. But people don’t want to hear that, because we want to feel better than them. Like we wouldn’t tolerate that kind of life. Of course the…

Day-to-day life depends on your social class. I wouldn't want to be in China earning minimum wage.

There are also crazy countries like Iran and North Korea.

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by cyanydeez »

XorNot wrote: post #357
benreesman wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't an "authoritarian bit", it's not binary. When I was young the idea that your own computer would spy on you, or the one in your phone, or in your car? That was a William Gibson novel, wiretaps happened to mob bosses, you didn't worry about it happening to you as part of a dragnet. Security camera? You mean in a bank right? Microsoft bundling IE was so egregious that the department of justice took time off…

Okay but no scandal can damage a politician because you the American people are currently choosing to let that be the case. Same with the billionaires. The entire problem gets painted as "other" but it's you: you're actually promulgating it by your very choice of language here!

Sure, but its a boiling frog with cancer. Certain states made choices to skew far right and other states mde choices to "keep business open" and others made choices to remain ignorant.

This becomes diffusion of responsibility because every cycle maybe 1% were directly embracing far white religious authoritarian. The consistency of those choices were sticky because the oligarchy spent decades ensuring.

The point being, very few people actively participated and there was no progressive decadal length comspiracy. But the reverse isnt true.

There was and is a decadal length conspiracy to become a far right ethnostate run by religious minority.

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by M95D »

dominicrose wrote: post #414
Bukhmanizer wrote: post #92

The issue is that American media/discourse paints a very distorted view of what life under authoritarian rule is like. The truth is in many countries, unless you’re some kind of minority, politically active, or in legal trouble, day-to-day life is mostly similar to life in the west. But people don’t want to hear that, because we want to feel better than them. Like we wouldn’t tolerate that kind of life. Of course the…

Day-to-day life depends on your social class. I wouldn't want to be in China earning minimum wage. There are also crazy countries like Iran and North Korea.

I wouldn't want to be anywhere earning minimum wage for that location.

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by sunaookami »

graemep wrote: post #101
Bukhmanizer wrote: post #92

The issue is that American media/discourse paints a very distorted view of what life under authoritarian rule is like. The truth is in many countries, unless you’re some kind of minority, politically active, or in legal trouble, day-to-day life is mostly similar to life in the west. But people don’t want to hear that, because we want to feel better than them. Like we wouldn’t tolerate that kind of life. Of course the…

Not entirely true. People living authoritarian worry about what they say, they self-censor out of fear, they defer to those in power (even at a local level), they accept a hierarchy of power rather than rights. I do not entirely disagree without, but lack of freedom does intrude into day to day life to some extent.

In Germany you literally get your house raided if you critize a politician online. A journalist got a suspended sentence because he posted a pic of then-interior minister holding a sign that was edited to read "I hate freedom of speech".

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by mihaic »

whoisthemachine wrote: post #382
slightwinder wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not saying everywhere is identical, there's a spectrum. That's the point. You have the same type of problems everywhere, but not the same quantity and quality. But people seem to not care or understand those differences, and weaponize the concepts, instead of looking at the outcome.

> But people seem to not care or understand those differences, and weaponize the concepts, instead of looking at the outcome. This is politics.

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Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by ForHackernews »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #411
idiomat9000 wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it is not. It seems that way if you are a (s)expat in the honeymoonphase. Then you learn the language and look into the abyss. In it families who can not trust one another, hierarchies of incompetence with bribes upon bribes, no legal recourse to anything, a caste system of actual misery and no perspective for that to ever change. And that is peace time. In wartime the ethnic majority progroms and kicks everyone…

Literally none (0%) of this applies to China. Burma, maybe. But even that's a stretch. You're exaggerating for dramatic or comedic effect, that much is certain.

Spoken like a Han with a good hukou https://archive.is/lRne7

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by mad0 »

janalsncm wrote: post #73

> Citizens are tracked for every jaywalking incident, points are deducted for buying too much alcohol The first time I visited China I was under 21 but I had heard the drinking age was 18 so I went to a convenience store to buy a beer. Person running the till was probably 12 and didn’t say a word or ask for ID. Unbelievably lax compared to the US sometimes. I generally think it’s easier and more effective to track th…

> points are deducted for buying too much alcohol

What if I want to buy copious amounts for a party? Or there was a discount so you want to stock up? This seems a bit shortsighted, it is not always the case that if you buy something then you need to consume it right away.

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