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New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Yes, this! A few Pakistanis moving in down the road doesn't stop British people practicing British culture. The reason they don't can be summarised as laziness and ignorance. "The pub got turned into a mosque", maybe it did but it wasn't because the Moors invaded fgs. A successful pub gets to carry on being one - if it's not successful, maybe that's because people stopped using it.

>A successful pub gets to carry on being one - if it's not successful, maybe that's because people stopped using it. And pray tell, how does the influx of a muslim, non-alcohol-drinking population, influence this?

Depends how they're influxing. If they're seizing our homes and land by force and taking over our government, sure.

But as far as I can see, they're working for the NHS, running restaurants and shops and so on, and buying/renting homes that come up on the market like everyone else. London's Muslim mayor was elected by an absolute majority even though Muslims are only about 12% of the city's population.

Nobody is stopping Brits from doing Brit stuff - it's our own fault if we choose not to.

Far as I can see, what's done a lot of basic pubs in is a combination of lifestyle changes, people who don't like the smoking ban, and younger people wanting to spend time down the gym instead of drinking.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Radical life extension within our lifetimes has become secular religion substitute. It’s driven more by hope and faith than by scientific fact. While a lifespan has no limits in theory if technology is advanced enough, the belief that it can be achieved by a living person is based on hope rather than evidence. - Possible in our lifetime. - Affordable to the faithful. You remove these two, and the faithful lose their…

What theory says that human lifespan has no limits with technology assistance? Anything involving replacing biological systems with artificial ones is not really extending human lifespan, it’s replacing human life with something else.

We know it’s possible for living things to be functionally near immortal.

We also know germ line cells can give rise to new organisms which can give rise to germ line cells in an unbroken chain effectively forever.

This is quite far from making a human immortal but it shows that there appears to be nothing in physical law or intrinsic to biology that prohibits it. Therefore it is possible.

Star travel and terraforming Mars are also possible. Possible does not imply anything about difficulty. We don’t really know if radical life extension or borderline immortality are fusion hard, quantum computing hard, or starship hard.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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What theory says that human lifespan has no limits with technology assistance? Anything involving replacing biological systems with artificial ones is not really extending human lifespan, it’s replacing human life with something else.

I won't touch on whether or not you're still you as you replace your biological components with artificial ones. But who says that's the endgame? Presumably an advanced enough medical technology could remove the internal byproducts of aging, and get your cells to stop dying / running out of steam / going cancerous. Obviously we have no idea how to do that, and maybe we never will, but it seems plausible.

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> But immigration is the only thing that can replenish their workforce. Unchecked immigration of people who do not share the majority of the destination’s cultural values leads to a monoculture that is terrible for everyone. Multiculturalism doesn’t work when everyone’s culture is equal everywhere. And unless it wasn’t obvious, I firmly believe in multiculturalism, but I believe we (here in Europe in particular) have…

Huh? The problem in Europe is not immigration, the problem is there being no European country with a vision of the future for immigrants to buy into. Aesthetic Traditions ≠ Culture. Traditions are just one aspect, but as Nietzsche wrote about the death of God, traditions are not a substitute for values. America for hundreds of years has offered a shared vision of the future and values to immigrants of every backgroun…

Americans have no culture so it makes sense there. No need to have same happen in Europe.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Exactly. I'm the youngest in my family many aunts and uncles are already dead. those who still live are in a huge decline or completely lonely (sometimes both). Mom is in her late 70s and is in good shape, but she complains a lot about loneliness (even though I and my brothers visit her almost daily for a coffee or lunch). I think the joy of living ends with people around you dying.

Wouldn't the people around you also benefit from these advances so in theory they wouldn't be dead in this scenario?

in theory yes, but in practice will the majority of people get the benefits?

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I was walking on the street the other day. It was fine summer, and I saw so many elderly walking outside. All of them were using one type of aid or another; some even had a social worker at their side. As I saw them, I was thinking that my 63% marginal tax was paying for it, while I part with 25% of my income after taxes to pay my mom’s pension. That monetary cost is nothing, I would gladly pay it for the rest of my…

> So, we are paying an extremely high cost for letting God go on with His Slow Tormentous Cooking of Souls before Consumption, and things are only going to get worse, given the demographic expectations. Wouldn’t it make sense to put a big chunk of budget into creating life-extension tech? It's controversial, but I think it would be tremendously beneficial to our society if we accepted that death is (currently) inevit…

How do you stop forced assisted suicide or do you think it will never happen?

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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There are lots of ways for you to end your life. You do not have to involve government or society. You do not require sanction or assistance. The only people who might require assistance and sanction are those who are so catastrophically ill that they cannot function independently at all. But MAID has already killed people who were able-bodied! (And some for stupid or trivial reasons: https://care.org.uk/news/2024/10…

> However, lobbying efforts have steadily pushed for broader access and eligibility...British legislators have to consider how easily assisted dying can be expanded, how easily abuses can go undetected. Wait, how exactly does one "abuse" MAID? People being so deep in poverty and addiction that they opt for MAID as an option isn't a symptom that it's "too easy" to access it, but rather that _society_ is failing them.…

Several people in the Netherlands have died through MAID who had only psychiatric conditions with no serious physical problems. And these were not people mired in poverty and addiction who were failed by society. We can argue the merits of particular cases but many people would consider that an abuse.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/16/dutc...

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/...

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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The only thing life extension will get us is a very powerful class of ancient people that will have ownership of just about everything. The only thing that resets the clock on wealth accumulation under the capitalist system is death. No matter how much of a grifter you are the grim reaper will force you to divide it amongst your heirs. But if that no longer happens and if capital keeps begetting more capital then the end game would be a very sober one for an even larger slice of humanity than it already is.

Interesting story on this theme:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_Benefit_of_Mankind

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