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Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by natch »

ActorNightly wrote: post #407
natch wrote: post #286

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Four false turds packaged up in haughty fake outrage does not mean you have given us a golden truth. The democrats chose an unimaginably bad candidate and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Ah yes, the whole lawsuit where Trumps legal team argued that he in fact did submit a slate of fraudlent electors, but argued that he had the right to do so because he was immune from legal prosecution, is totally false, despite being all documented in publicly available court proceedings. Also this https://www.project2025.observer/en So please understand that when you claim that these things are false, it is absolut…

That’s fine if you assume that! I definitely am not 100% perfect. Thanks for the link I’ll take a look.

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Post by notnullorvoid »

probably_wrong wrote: post #359
herculity275 wrote: post #355

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> how long it'll take to Neuralink to turn their army of computer connected paraplegics into some Mechanical Turk-esque Grok clean up It's really hard for me to imagine that making more logistic sense than the current state of affairs - which is hiring armies of poor able-bodied people in developing countries.

It's not that difficult, really. "By using this implant I agree to the collection and sharing of analysis data with Neuralink and its trusted third parties". [ ] Agree [ ] Ask me later

The point is the scale of poor people vastly outweighs the scale of Neuralink users. It's not worth both the setup cost, nor the backlash to convert the relatively small number of Neuralink users into forced labour. Especially since they would still need the poor workforce as well.

Agreeing to data collection and sharing of your brain activity while concerning for it's own reasons, is not the same as forcing them to complete Mechanical Turk like tasks.

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Post by sokoloff »

LunaSea wrote: post #387
sokoloff wrote: post #347

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I’m not the biggest Elon fan, but “man sues to receive the thing he earned over several years of accomplishment that made a lot of people a lot more money than they originally agreed to pay him” is something a lot of people are understandably sympathetic to.

> man sues to receive the thing he earned over several years of accomplishment that made a lot of people a lot more money than they originally agreed to pay him Do you have a source for this? As far as I understand, the bonus package represents a large part of revenue of all Teslas sold since the beginning. > is something a lot of people are understandably sympathetic to. Does he also need to pay back stocks when he…

> Do you have a source for this?

At the time of the original pay package award (3/21/2018), with primary performance conditions being the growth of Tesla market cap (making money for Tesla shareholders), Tesla had a market cap of $53.5B.

At the time the lawsuit against Musk set aside that pay package in January 2024, Tesla's market cap had expanded under Musk's leadership to around $600B.

$600B - $55B = $545 billion in market cap increase (making money for shareholders), which dwarfs both the $29B he agreed to take as well as the larger amount he would have been due under the 2018 agreement.

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Post by jakeydus »

WalterBright wrote: post #277
jakeydus wrote: post #203

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I don’t hate him. I think he’s a sad, small man who makes himself feel big by being a bully and faking technical experience and knowledge. I think his fans confuse being in the right place at the right time in possession significant capital as genius. I think he is an incredibly toxic public figure. I think farming outrage and feeding trolls is bad for everyone. I think Nazi salutes are bad. I think that lying is bad…

> in the right place at the right time in possession significant capital as genius 1. he created the capital he had 2. he is not the only person with capital 3. the opportunities he saw, no one else did When someone wins the lottery 3 times in a row, it is no longer credible to call it "luck". He's simply a genius.

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Post by DoesntMatter22 »

rc5150 wrote: post #233
ckemere wrote: post #227

I think that the negativity here is unfortunate. The reality is that it’s very hard to see a normal VC level return on the $100M+ Elon and friends have invested here. And don’t let anyone fool you - this is the fundamental reason the BCI field has moved slowly. If Neuralink proceeds to a scenario where quadriplegic patients can get reliable (ie lifelong) control of their computers for less than $100k that will be a h…

The unfortunate part is that your first thought went to return on investment rather than the humanitarian angle, which I think is the common perspective; optics and money. Then there's the pessimists, like me, wondering how long it'll take to Neuralink to turn their army of computer connected paraplegics into some Mechanical Turk-esque Grok clean up.

To me that's the greatest part. Probably everyone working on this is interested in the humanitarian angle, and they know this can benefit potentially millions. But ROI is partly what's required to make it sustainable long term. And that's a great thing to me. It motivates business people to put money into it.

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Post by salawat »

TheDong wrote: post #266
bluefirebrand wrote: post #254

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Things have costs so we should be ok with a society where the wealthy exploit poor and desperate people?

This is the forum for a VC-funded startup accelerator, so yes, the implicit belief you hold if you're posting here is supposed to be "VCs deserve money, i.e. the wealthy deserve more wealth, and I will help them get there". It's not exactly the same as "so we should exploit the poor and desperate", but that is one of the pitches VCs like the most.

I want to say the answer to this is "not all lurkers/posters", because at this point I'm more treating this place as an early warning system for how the hellhole dystopia will come about.

The amount of self-censoring I've ramped up to to keep anything useful from amoral VC's though does appear to prove your point though.

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Post by DoesntMatter22 »

xyst wrote: post #375
ckemere wrote: post #227

I think that the negativity here is unfortunate. The reality is that it’s very hard to see a normal VC level return on the $100M+ Elon and friends have invested here. And don’t let anyone fool you - this is the fundamental reason the BCI field has moved slowly. If Neuralink proceeds to a scenario where quadriplegic patients can get reliable (ie lifelong) control of their computers for less than $100k that will be a h…

> The reality is that it’s very hard to see a normal VC level return on the $100M+ Nobody gives a shit about the iNvEsToR rEtUrN on iNveStMeNt. This is a humanitarian project which should be owned by the people, not a select few billionaires or investors to license out and dangle yet another expense, subscription, or ad model.

Nothing is stopping them from doing it. You sound mad that he's actually out there making it happen because some theoretical humanitarian project should. Why not be happy he's actually out there solving this for people and the fact that real people are materially benefitting?

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Post by jesterswilde »

devinprater wrote: post #59

I'll let other blind people go first, but I'm definitely some one that would love, love, love to be able to see. Driving, knowing body language, playing any and every video game out there, shoot yeah!

The exact same comment I would write. Waitin for generation two of any of this kind of tech.

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Post by daveguy »

nisegami wrote: post #406
daveguy wrote: post #393

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No.

That's an awfully dismissive reply. I agree with the parent, we already all require subscriptions to stay alive. In the most literal sense that's going to be basic utilities like water, power and arguably connectivity. And then there are those who are dependent on a continued supply of medication as well.

The parent post was an awfully broad sweeping statement that deserved an accurate reply. Obviously we don't "all need subscriptions to stay alive." I guess folks on hn have forgotten the difference between need and want.

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Post by torginus »

ckemere wrote: post #227

I think that the negativity here is unfortunate. The reality is that it’s very hard to see a normal VC level return on the $100M+ Elon and friends have invested here. And don’t let anyone fool you - this is the fundamental reason the BCI field has moved slowly. If Neuralink proceeds to a scenario where quadriplegic patients can get reliable (ie lifelong) control of their computers for less than $100k that will be a h…

VCs don't actually like risk, and can't distinguish snake-oil from groundbreaking inventions - more news at 11
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