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US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by germinalphrase »

galangalalgol wrote: post #404
SCUSKU wrote: post #333

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What you're describing is an Orwellian dystopia, where a boot forces you to think a certain way. We live in a Huxleyan dystopia where there is so much so much to distract you that you become submissive.

The demographic collapse will likely lead to artificial wombs and llm powered vulcan style teaching pits crossed with diamond age primers. Huxley was more prescient than I thought when teading brave new world. I think the nation that has its primers teach the vat-made labor force rhetoric, logic and critical thinking will have lower gdp, but higher stability.

Read “The Island” for a different flavor of Huxley.

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Post by mikepurvis »

presentation wrote: post #379
wat10000 wrote: post #348

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That’s not what I was saying. Obamacare and the ACA are the same thing . The ACA is the official name and Obamacare is an attempt at a derogatory nickname which became common. Hating one and liking the other is an inherently contradictory position. And yet it’s one a lot of people hold. That’s not a different point of view, that’s not having even the most basic understanding of the thing you have an opinion about.

That’s democracy though, everyone gets a vote, even if you’re a doofus.

Right, but it puts rational people who seek to govern in a very uncomfortable position when they're up against an adversary who is happy to seize power at all costs, including weaponizing ignorance, ideology, polarization, conspiracy theories, and a complicit media apparatus, and then engages in blatantly un-democratic tactics like gerrymandering and the filibuster, and all the rest of it.

Basically when all or most of the facts are on your side, how do you balance the need to indulge stupid talking points and perspectives so that you can "reach" people, while also not inadvertently conceding ground in an attempt to meet a person where they are?

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Post by hedora »

20after4 wrote: post #397
hedora wrote: post #326

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That’s probably true, though I’d pay a 50% tariff just to get working drivers vs. whatever Intel was shipping 5-10 years ago. AMD and Apple offer that; Intel still(?) does not.

I've been using Intel hardware on Linux for more than 10 years. The instances of driver issues that I can think of are very very few and they were never related to anything Intel did.

I wonder what hardware you've been buying. I've tried Apple, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Intel OEM, Toshiba, ASRock, and a half dozen others. I never saw any of them run Windows (OEM or from Microsoft), Linux, or MacOS X (on the Mac) reliably.

The most recent Intel machine that did work reliably is now 15 years old (and humming along nicely, for what it's worth).

Sure, they had Linux drivers, but they also would do crap like kernel panic, unsuspend in my laptop and overheat, screw up USB, and so on. They did it under all operating systems.

My current desktop is an AMD system on chip. It's great, except it has an Intel WiFi/Bluetooth module. There's been a bug open against all Intel Bluetooth modules for about a decade:

They fail to advertise themselves in a timely fashion at boot, so the intel driver (Linux or Windows) doesn't see them so you have to keep rebooting until it does (or write a bash script that retries modprobe).

Here's the manual for the wildly popular ASUS bluetooth dongle that works around this crap by not using an Intel part. Look at page 1 where they show you how to disable the Windows driver for your existing Bluetooth radio, which apparently can't coexist with a second bluetooth adapter under windows:

https://www.asus.com/us/supportonly/usb-bt500/helpdesk_manua...

(Manual revision U24085 will do -- it's the top in the list).

I'll give you one guess: Which brand has the bug that requires the workaround?

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Post by paulryanrogers »

AlexandrB wrote: post #377
nosignono wrote: post #207

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It has nothing to do with stupidity. Stop painting people as idiots because they exist in one of the most information hostile environments in human history. This isn't some natural state that's unrecoverable. The people you describe have been given a highly addictive media environment tailor made to engender outrage and drive behavior. It shouldn't be a shock when most people cannot resist it. The first step to chang…

It's a good thing we, the enlightened of HN, can see through the bullshit clearly though. /s With tariffs, it's entirely possible that the loss of blue collar jobs due to offshoring more than offsets the cheap toys those folks get to import in exchange. Especially when the cost of housing, education, and medical care is rising regardless. It's not uncommon to hear labor leaders rail against NAFTA and be pro-tariff[1]…

It's also possible to be pro-tariff and recognize that Trump's policy is whatever keeps him at the center of attention, downstream consequences be damned.

A concept of a plan, a verbal agreement, even just a phone call is better than a binding trade agreement that lasts 20y. Because the former provides what matters most: distraction from the things that will put Trump in jail and a feeling of power and importance.

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Post by ipnon »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #298

It seems like they're asking the wrong company to take a stake in Intel. It would make more sense to try to get companies like Apple & Nvidia to take stakes in Nvidia - US based companies that need the product that Intel can supply.

It’s a security deal. They are asking the Taiwan government to trade cutting edge semiconductor manufacturing for defense against invasion. You might call it a racket in other contexts. TSMC is already considered national security infrastructure under Taiwanese law.

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Post by 93po »

thewileyone wrote: post #389

This is just pure extortion and it's across the globe. It'll just drive more countries towards BRICS.

i mean what do you call the US domineering nearly the entire world's trade with its massive military for the past nearly 100 years?

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Post by dmix »

CSMastermind wrote: post #403
eru wrote: post #396

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> Tariffs kinda make sense when you have a deficit in a widely available item. Big trade deficit with Bangladesh? Sure you can buy cheap textiles from Thailand or Vietnam or something. Sorry, how do they 'make sense'? What's the problem with a trade deficit with Bangladesh? And in your example, you'd just shift bilateral trade balances around, without impact the overall trade balance of the US? I could perhaps believ…

Because of the Triffin dilemma: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffin_dilemma Trade deficits in isolation aren't good or bad but because the US has the world reserve currency it must supply it's currency to the world. This basically forces it to have a trade deficit with everyone which over time can hollow out manufacturing sectors. Making the whole economy vulnerable to shocks and ultimately causing it to fail. It's…

Doesn’t this assume tariffs are efficiently adapting to changes in the market? Markets, trade, innovation, even currency prices change all the time. Tariffs change every decade if you’re lucky and when they do there’s a thousand conditional statements baked in that make it even more disconnected from reality

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Post by msgilligan »

spangry wrote: post #294
estebarb wrote: post #263

I don't get it. Isn't it like forcing the foreign competitor into buying your only chicken that produces golden eggs. I really don't understand the logic behind this.

Just spitballing - maybe if TSMC had a 49% stake in Intel they'd be incentivised to transfer their chip-making technologies and techniques to Intel, to maximise the value of their (forced) investment?

Good point. They'd get whatever profit they make from the sale of tech to Intel, plus half of whatever benefit Intel receives.

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Post by dmix »

ethbr1 wrote: post #260
Dr4kn wrote: post #213

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Every promise of this administration is worthless, so why even bother? Either they protect you, because they don't want the chip tech to fall to China or they don't. Buying half of Intel isn't going to change anything

The meta of Trump mercurialness is convincing counterparties they should do whatever they can to make him happy, even on unrelated matters. I think it's a braindead, 4th-grade way to run international negotiations, but it is a way.

People will forever take every bluff and proposition at face value though so it gets exhausting following online discourse, where everyone is trying to rationalize it at face value or spinning it into some grander conspiratorial geopolitical scheme. Doesn’t seem to matter how many times the outcome is dramatically different than the starting point with Trump, people want to believe and that’s what Trump hopes they do to get what he wants (basically some marginal gains through intimidation but largely what one could achieve through more traditional civil approaches when negotiating from a power position).
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