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We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by andrepd »

bebeskids wrote: post #407
dv_dt wrote: post #257

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Though it's popularized to blame social media and phones, economics should not be overlooked. Pay for young generations is lagging and restaurants and bar prices are super high. Public spaces for informal gatherings has shrunk - eg fewer malls

Parks, libraries are cheap and free and they're dead where I live, a metro area of 2+ million The only people I see out are families with grandpa in tow to pay for a mediocre overpriced wood fired pizza. No one has analog skills. Just social analysis skills. Very briefly dated a 39 year old who admitted she had never baked, boiled, or microwaved her own potato. Already got 2 kids. We reach endgame sooner in life. We…

Parks and libraries are always full where I live, a metro area of 1.5mil.

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Post by anal_reactor »

haswell wrote: post #336
anal_reactor wrote: post #276

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Bullshit. Most people can afford grabbing a beer in a supermarket and going to the park. They just choose not to. I think the real change is that nowadays it's just easier and more practical NOT to maintain friendships. Yes, it's lonely, but it's more efficient.

> Yes, it's lonely, but it's more efficient. It doesn’t make much sense to me to put loneliness against efficiency. What does it matter if it’s “inefficient” to maintain friendships of the easily is a lonely life without social connections? People are prioritizing the wrong things IMO.

Life is about gathering resources and using them to reproduce. Humans like being social because for thousands of years it was more efficient to do that socially. Nowadays it's not.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by anal_reactor »

roncesvalles wrote: post #279
anal_reactor wrote: post #276

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Bullshit. Most people can afford grabbing a beer in a supermarket and going to the park. They just choose not to. I think the real change is that nowadays it's just easier and more practical NOT to maintain friendships. Yes, it's lonely, but it's more efficient.

Drinking outdoors (let alone at a public park) is just not a thing outside Europe.

Neither is public access to quality education. Your point?

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by achierius »

xlbuttplug2 wrote: post #412

Your current self won't like it. Your latter self won't care. It's like trying to shame a heroin addict for cheating the dopamine system. When they inject that needle, they are exactly where they want to be.

Sure, "when they inject", but the rest of the time? Generally no, they are not. This is why people DO try, if unsuccessfully, to get off of their addictions -- you don't like waking up in an alley, you don't like how broke you are, you don't like how you feel when you come down from the high, you don't like how you're hurting your family.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by achierius »

OldfieldFund wrote: post #376
bflesch wrote: post #345

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one day, some sick mind will do a study with a baby who is only exposed to AI without any real human contact

and will find out that the outcome is better than mean (if it includes cuddling and stuff)

Wanna bet?

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by mystraline »

giantrobot wrote: post #222
mantas wrote: post #193

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Looks like you guys have bigger issues than socializing and expensive coffee. Here it’s not uncommon to meet some rowdy people out and about. Not necessarily homeless. But it’s not hard to find some silent corner to enjoy some coffee from a thermos. Other option… Maybe head out to nature trails? Chat while walking at enjoy some coffee at a rest stop? Even few kilometers from the city homeless are unlikely even wheree…

> Even few kilometers from the city homeless are unlikely even whereever you are…? Where I am all the nature and bike trails lined with homeless encampments. It's actually been quite a problem. Unless you go out on serious hike type trails you're surrounded by homeless.

Seconded.

And our community routinely clears out encampments every 4-6 months. Makes a big production about it as well.

Sometimes they're on private property, and sometimes they're on public property. Either way, their belongings are confiscated and hailed away to the city garage miles away, with the full intent to destroy. Not like homeless can get transportation there.

The craziest part? 60% of the homeless have actual jobs. These aren't 'lazy' people. In fact, society has slowly priced people out of even living, and criminalized homelessness.

Its bad enough that on sidewalks, they're pitching nylon tents. Its starting to look like LA in some aspects.

There's also state laws felonizing having needles on you. Naturally, they get disposed by being dropped wherever. Bad drug laws created this hazard.

Its just one thing after another. And any community that tries to help gets flooded. Greyhound Therapy is a real thing.

Its bad enough, that sometimes I just want to shut down and just shield myself from the suffering, since I'm damn near powerless in fixing it. Its an abject system failure, and needs systematic changes. And realistically, we're not going to see anything get better for the next 3.5 years at absolute minimum.

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Post by mcmcmc »

bebeskids wrote: post #407
dv_dt wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though it's popularized to blame social media and phones, economics should not be overlooked. Pay for young generations is lagging and restaurants and bar prices are super high. Public spaces for informal gatherings has shrunk - eg fewer malls

Parks, libraries are cheap and free and they're dead where I live, a metro area of 2+ million The only people I see out are families with grandpa in tow to pay for a mediocre overpriced wood fired pizza. No one has analog skills. Just social analysis skills. Very briefly dated a 39 year old who admitted she had never baked, boiled, or microwaved her own potato. Already got 2 kids. We reach endgame sooner in life. We…

Library funding is being slashed in the US and actively attacked by right wing fundamentalist who view them as “woke socialism”

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by salemh »

bflesch wrote: post #345
mensetmanusman wrote: post #290

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A sufficiently advanced ai that tricks humans would be a human life itself…

one day, some sick mind will do a study with a baby who is only exposed to AI without any real human contact

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