‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler • Hacker News Board

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by bigtex88 » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:03 PM UTC

hersko wrote: post #384

pphysch wrote: post #289

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> Why does X do evil things? What is happening is definitely "evil" in its purest form, but there are many contributing explanations that don't rely on circular reasoning. - long-term geopolitical goals of "the West" in the middle east - a culture defined by a noxious combination of victim complex + ethnoreligious superiority - a society pampered by foreign financial and military aid (not having to stand on its own)…

Your middle two points apply to the Palestinians more than the Israelis IMHO.

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Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by lostlogin » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:03 PM UTC

guelo wrote: post #221

js8 wrote: post #174

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Is two-state solution possible? Just look at the map of the territories under palestinian control, they're bantustans. Israel/Palestine is factually one state, which simply doesn't accept half of its population as citizens. You could also say that "two-state solution" has been tried in 1948, but (for whatever reasons) didn't work out. So support for 2-state is just a form of delaying the inevitable. I am now firm bel…

Besides, Israel sees themselves as having the right to bomb and invade their neighboring states at will. A Palestinian state would be Lebanon x 1000, never ending war and no respect for borders. The real problem is Europe and America's funding and insane levels of political and diplomatic support for Israel, to the point that we are willing to gut international law and even our own citizen's civil rights to prop up t…

> Israel sees themselves as having the right to bomb and invade their neighboring states at will.

Who have they bombed recently? I make it Syria, Lebanon, Iran and Gaza (is this bombing themselves? Palestine?).

It’s darkly hilarious how terrible neighbouring Israel would be.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by ars » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:04 PM UTC

swat535 wrote: post #205

Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

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Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by lostlogin » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:05 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #253

alkyon wrote: post #87

In ideal world international peacekeeping forces would be deployed in Gaza. The peace and two state solution could only be enforced by imposing severe sanctions on Israel including possibility of aerial NATO strikes like in the former Yugoslavia.

> international peacekeeping forces To the extent there is consensus among today’s superpower and regional powers, it’s that international peacekeepers don’t work. At best they delay while incubating a conflict.

> international peacekeepers don’t work.

What’s the solution then? We keep wringing our hands and saying it’s impossible?

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by brentm » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:05 PM UTC

Liron wrote: post #346

swat535 wrote: post #205

Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

The problem here though is what will ever give Israel confidence that Oct 7 will never happen again? We know that going after terrorists for years and killing them just creates more terrorists (Iraq, Afghanistan). The young children who do not end up dying of starvation will be men in 20 years, still in Gaza with no options to leave and resent Israel who they will consider to be effectively their jailer. The situation is just untenable. I don't like to think that the result of Oct 7 is a more open Gaza but I don't really know what other options Israel has.

Hamas obviously started this but Israel won the war a long time ago. The world deserves an end. The longer it goes on the more Hamas will actually have achieved some kind of lasting positive image of Gaza which is rooted in their actions on Oct 7th and that would be an incredibly bad outcome for all.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by slt2021 » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:06 PM UTC

hersko wrote: post #386

slt2021 wrote: post #250

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Because i don't think HN should be discussing politics I must be getting paid by Israel. Really?

what happened to the free speech?

if you dont wanna discuss, just move on to the next topic, you have no right to censor other people's speech

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by bawolff » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:06 PM UTC

bigyabai wrote: post #353

Liron wrote: post #346

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Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

> why there is no "just stop fighting" option I don't recall many people ever seriously asking for that, though I admit I'm not up-to-date on Israeli affairs. Don't the overwhelming majority of outsiders want a two-state solution, or failing that a more secular Israeli administration? Through a lens of historical context and not just Oct 7th, it's hard for me to believe that Israelis don't know how to attain regional…

> > why there is no "just stop fighting" option

> I don't recall many people ever seriously asking for that

i live in Canada, literally half a world away. Every street light pole seems to have some sort of "Ceasefire now" sticker on it. I also see similar sentiment in online threads on the topic. I think there is a significant group of people who want Israel to commit to an unconditional ceasefire in Gaza.

> We know exactly why Lebanon, Jordan and Syria are angry at the Israeli government

When people talk about this topic, they are usually referring to the conflict with Palestine.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by rafram » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:07 PM UTC

Liron wrote: post #376

cool_dude85 wrote: post #355

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This happened in the occupied West Bank. What would you like Hamas to do differently there?

I often don't endorse the behavior of Israeli settlers. I'm responding to the question of what Israelis think about the news in general, a question to which I wanted to contribute the context of Israel's precarious existential security as a sovereign Jewish state.

"Precarious" strikes me as a misleading way to describe a nuclear-armed state (and the only nuclear-armed state in its region).

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by lostlogin » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:07 PM UTC

hersko wrote: post #401

alkyon wrote: post #210

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Both Hamas and Isreal to enforce peace

How can anyone view October 7th footage and think that Hamas should survive.

And how can anyone look at Gaza and think Israel should be allowed to carry on as it does?

Someone needs to actually try and improve things.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by chimineycricket » Wed, Jul 30, 2025, 6:07 PM UTC

Liron wrote: post #346

swat535 wrote: post #205

Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

>the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed

Israeli soldiers, politicians, and many civilians are portraying themselves this way. Soldiers post videos sniping a child in the head calling it a "legendary video", politicians say Palestinians should starve, civilians block aid trucks.

Do you resent the way they are portrayed or do you mean you resent what a lot of Israelis are doing?