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Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by southernplaces7 » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 9:20 AM UTC

southernplaces7 wrote: post #403

nativeit wrote: post #402

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It's worth noting that their policies with regard to global health initiatives are currently killing 88-people every hour, on average. Mostly children. https://www.impactcounter.com/dashboard?view=table&sort=titl... '

Wow, talk about a completely loaded and dishonest definition of cause and effect. I personally think that the U.S should fund these programs for health overseas, but saying that it no longer funding some of them is killing 88 people per hour is completely off base. The diseases these programs addressed are what kills 88 people per hour, not some U.S policy. Since the U.S doesn't have a legal obligation to fund such p…

Why not address the very valid argument instead of downvoting like some little child?

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by shafyy » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 9:34 AM UTC

hibikir wrote: post #232

shafyy wrote: post #221

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> Pendulum has swung too far to the left, while the best long term place is as usually somewhere in the middle (which would still be extreme left by US standards but who cares about that)." Is there an EU state government where a left-wing party has the majority? I can't think of one, certainly not one of the bigger countries in EU like Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Poland...*

So PSOE, the ones with a rose in their logo aren't left enough for you? They have a coalition with some parties that are quite a bit further left too.

Ok yes, let's count Spain. But this still is a blimp compared to the whole of EU, and certainly does not warrant saying "Pendulum has swung too far to the left"

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by timeon » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 10:27 AM UTC

close04 wrote: post #266

timeon wrote: post #263

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'whataboutism' was not correct term here just search vector for similar effect. I would call it maybe 'relativizing'. Like making everything so relative that anything could happen in theory while taking away attention from the fact (hence similarity with whataboutism) that it just (or mostly) happens in one specific case. So Oil industry would align with 'Left' if 'Left' aligned with Oil industry, but that is not rel…

> Like making everything so relative That industries shift affiliation if it brings them money is not "relative", it's just something they show again and again, some more than others. I don't care about US politics right/left but as someone who worked in the oil industry I can guarantee you that the industry will shift its affiliation towards the side that makes it more money. Many industries do this, much of the lef…

> I can guarantee you that the industry will shift its affiliation towards the side that makes it more money

Which in this case is just 'right-wing' side. I get that they would shift to other side if it fits but in reality there is no other.

> And yet he is, as the perfect example of changing affiliation for money.

He may be example of "of changing affiliation" for money - even if this is also arguable - but still not relevant to topic of that fossil industry goes hand in hand with right-wing agenda.

Why do you want to move attention from the relation between right-wing politics and fossil industry by creating hypothetical scenarios that are not happening and by moving the goalpost of the topic with examples that are tangential at best?

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by triceratops » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 2:46 PM UTC

lrvick wrote: post #406

triceratops wrote: post #363

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Well great let's have more of that without losing private property or instituting central planning.

While it is a view that seems to piss off most, I am becoming convinced capitalism and socialism are both equally doomed paths if taken to their unchecked extremes. An endless game of tug-of-war between the two is the best we can do, and right now it is pulled way way too far in the capitalist direction and needs to be yanked back hard.

Right? This Cold War era mentality of "If you say anything bad about capitalism, you're a dirty commie"/"If you say anything bad about socialism, you're an imperialist pig" is fucking exhausting and pointless.

I don't give a shit whether something is capitalist or communist or socialist. I care about results: prosperity, freedom, happiness, sustainability. Do whatever makes it happen.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by lotsofpulp » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 3:09 PM UTC

epgui wrote: post #388

pstuart wrote: post #377

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Yes, that's part of it but helping to ease the economic burden of child rearing would definitely help. The documentary Idiocracy has some interesting insights into the issue -- it's worth the watch.

Of course. My response was overly simplistic, simply because the parent comment seemed to suggest that there existed no solution.

What do you mean? I see no success so far across the world, and simply paying people to have kids is the wrong incentive (since badly raised children are worse than no children).

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by FireBeyond » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 3:20 PM UTC

ModernMech wrote: post #265

ryandrake wrote: post #183

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They’re not stupid. These voters see government as a means to enact cruelty on outgroups they don’t like. That’s why they vote for cruel people who don’t care about hurting others. They are not stupid. They know exactly what they are voting for and are overwhelmingly supportive if it.

I've spent some time reading r/leopardsatemyface, and there's just an unending stream of people who say something like "I didn't vote for this. I voted to inflict this cruelty upon other people, but now that it's coming for me I'm upset. Please redirect this toward people who deserve it. That being said I still support Trump." This quote from 2019 really sums it up: “I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this…

What's the quote? "A Republican would happily eat dog shit if he thought a Democrat would have to smell his breath".

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by FireBeyond » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 3:33 PM UTC

close04 wrote: post #266

timeon wrote: post #263

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'whataboutism' was not correct term here just search vector for similar effect. I would call it maybe 'relativizing'. Like making everything so relative that anything could happen in theory while taking away attention from the fact (hence similarity with whataboutism) that it just (or mostly) happens in one specific case. So Oil industry would align with 'Left' if 'Left' aligned with Oil industry, but that is not rel…

> Like making everything so relative That industries shift affiliation if it brings them money is not "relative", it's just something they show again and again, some more than others. I don't care about US politics right/left but as someone who worked in the oil industry I can guarantee you that the industry will shift its affiliation towards the side that makes it more money. Many industries do this, much of the lef…

> And yet he is, as the perfect example of changing affiliation for money.

Musk has never changed affiliations.

You can look at his political contributions. Like most of the ultra-wealthy, he does donate to both political parties. But he has never donated more to the Democrats than the Republicans.

In fact, in the average year, for the last 16 years (I went back as far as I have lived in the US) he's donated, eleven times more to the Republican party.

Musk has been libertarian at best, not liberal. And even that is sketchy. It's fine for him as CEO to go on podcasts and smoke weed and have "the highest ability to process ketamine on the planet", but work for Tesla or any of his companies and you'd best piss clean, or you're out.

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Post by xerox13ster » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 5:25 PM UTC

southernplaces7 wrote: post #334

xerox13ster wrote: post #323

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The progressively worsening attacks on the ability of trans people to exist in daily life. Depending on how you define the Ten Stages of Genocide, we for sure have crossed the 3rd stage of genocide with all the state level anti trans bills and Trumps executive orders, and they’ve also engaged in stages 4 and 6. They’re not pressing on the brake, there’s a lead block on the gas pedal and they have repeatedly professed…

>The progressively worsening attacks on the ability of trans people to exist in daily life. Really? Care to name an example of their being persecuted legally by the administration in the way you claim? For example, there were multiple huge gay pride parades in the U.S just recently, which are visibly and vocally attended by trans people too, and I didn't see federal agents or police of any kind going at them at any p…

I literally named one: Trump's anti-trans sports executive order.

Care to read more than a sentence at a time?

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Post by phatskat » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 5:47 PM UTC

cess11 wrote: post #178

padjo wrote: post #31

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There are also religious people who look forward to the coming of the “end times”. They also vote.

More importantly, US oligarchs are religious. Mostly evangelical, mormon or some postmodern derivative, like Thiel, Yarvin, Musk and their ilk. In the US, even people who aren't very religious in practice still harbour religious beliefs like the state of Israel being a divine entity. I.e. like Ted Cruz, who knows some english biblical phrases but isn't religious enough to stop himself from playing golf with the phara…

I think Cruz is likely a lot more religious than he puts out only because his brand of religion is, or at least was, too extreme for a lot of people. His father is a fundamentalist leader a la Handmaid’s Tale, which should have been a lot more worrying a lot sooner for a lot more people.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by pstuart » Fri, Jul 04, 2025, 5:58 PM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #415

epgui wrote: post #388

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Of course. My response was overly simplistic, simply because the parent comment seemed to suggest that there existed no solution.

What do you mean? I see no success so far across the world, and simply paying people to have kids is the wrong incentive (since badly raised children are worse than no children).

> paying people to have kids is the wrong incentive

I absolutely agree. Childcare is horribly expensive and just easing the burden of that would make parenting far more palatable to those who would otherwise be good parents.