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Post by alwa »

andyferris wrote: post #176
ryandrake wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole forcing a U2 album onto people’s devices thing, which happened shortly after Jobs died, was the first time I, a former Apple fan, sat up and realized “wow, these guys are really losing their taste/tact!” Weird to think that was over a decade ago!

I agree that was weird - but it was never forced onto your device unless you chose to download that album (it would be like saying a particular album was "forced" onto your spotify when they are ALL available and free - this was just the first "spotify"-style album designed to be streamed not purchased).

It was forced onto your device to the extent that any other of your library songs or iTunes purchases were, whether that worked out to be streamed on demand or downloaded locally. Space was never the issue, forcing bad music in my shuffle play was.

I remember distinctly, because after trying patiently for months then years to get rid of it through official channels, I rage-quit iTunes when that whiny man’s voice started playing again the moment I connected my phone in a rental car. I still won’t touch Apple Music to this day.

For that matter, it still comes back from time to time all these years later:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/13kc29l/...

Apparently, since they have taken down their dedicated removal tool from 11 years ago [0], your remaining recourse is to contact Apple Support and persist through upsell attempts to paid support.

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29208540

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Post by conradev »

I was watching the Phillies game the other day, like I usually do, except it was Friday, so Apple owns the rights to the game. It's not the usual announcers, but fine, I can watch it on Apple TV+.

I remember getting a commercial for Ed Sheeran's new song for Apple's new F1 Movie which I can listen to on Apple Music and just ask Siri to play it and wanting to throw the remote at the TV. Apple just really wants to watch baseball with me. I prefer my crappy local OTT ads.

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Post by al_borland »

JimDabell wrote: post #24
jb1991 wrote: post #4

Did they learn nothing from giving everyone a free U2 album that nobody wanted, and the backlash from that?

I think this is a lot worse than the U2 thing. Operating systems bundle free stuff all the time. Even the Windows 95 CD had a Weezer music video on it. The U2 album wasn’t spammy it didn’t interrupt people, it was in an appropriate place, and it was easily removed. Even if you didn’t want it, it’s reasonable to not consider it a problem. This was outright spammy. It was trying to sell people something. It was in a se…

It was only able to be removed after the backlash. Apple had to build a tool for it, and users had to be connected to tech media enough to know that existed. And if they didn’t do it already, it’s too late.

That doesn’t sound easily removed to me.

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Post by Nextgrid »

mvdtnz wrote: post #363
em500 wrote: post #129

Apple Wallet is in the App store, and the F1 ad debacle directly violates App Store guidelines https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ ) > 4.5.4 Push Notifications must not be required for the app to function, and should not be used to send sensitive personal or confidential information. Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly…

I hope this impacts current or future lawsuits regarding anticompetitive app store practices. It's a clear example of the unfair playing field Apple runs.

For better or worse, Apple doesn't enforce this on third-parties either.

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Post by [deleted] »

surgical_fire wrote: post #358
hshshshshsh wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. One thing I learned working at a Big company is that companies are full of parasites who are there to get their promotion or salary increase and don't give a cat shit about users or mission or values. Honestly it sucked any joy out of my life but I am stuck here because of visa.

You described any regular workplace. You are not supposed to find joy in work. Work is something that you do so you can afford to find joy elsewhere.

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Post by diskzero »

lapcat wrote: post #353
diskzero wrote: post #286

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Apple employee pre, during and post Steve. I was in a lot of meetings with VPs whose tasteless suggestions were shut down immediately with the usual Steve critiques attached. My recollection is that Eddy Cue got the most critiques, Phil Schiller the least and the rest were in between. Eddy would push back and still get shut down. When Steve left the last time, it was knives out between these guys with Scott Forstall…

> I was in a lot of meetings with VPs whose tasteless suggestions were shut down immediately with the usual Steve critiques attached. Was it common for lower-level employees to take part in C-suite meetings and arguments?

Apple was fairly flat under Steve and meetings could have a fair number of interested parties involved. I can recall numerous weekly UI meetings with several of the people listed above there. Also note that Jony, Eddy and others weren’t always high level. Steve handed out his harsh comments regardless of concern for your level. Steve was a micromanager and was involved in anything that the user came in contact with and more.

To directly address your question, the answer was yes in that if you developed a feature, a demo, or anything Steve wanted to see, you would end up in a forum with a bunch a various levels of employees.

Thinking of C suite meetings happening when Steve was around cracks me up. Steve was always on the move, making edicts, rejecting things, walking into offices, having lunch with people, etc. There was no Jira, Confluence, Agile or any of that. It was a fight to ship by an imposed date or die trying.

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Post by linhns »

steveBK123 wrote: post #306

I think its rather telling about the state of Apple that Gruber has posted some fairly negative (for him) posts in the last few months. This is coming from a guy who generally fawned over every new iterative release as if it was revelatory for 20 years.

But admittedly, they still have the only good laptop on the market

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Post by hshshshshsh »

surgical_fire wrote: post #358
hshshshshsh wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. One thing I learned working at a Big company is that companies are full of parasites who are there to get their promotion or salary increase and don't give a cat shit about users or mission or values. Honestly it sucked any joy out of my life but I am stuck here because of visa.

You described any regular workplace. You are not supposed to find joy in work. Work is something that you do so you can afford to find joy elsewhere.

But isn't that a bad way to live life? Spending the best years of life working a job that you don't like so that you get weekends free?

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Post by drob518 »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #241
drob518 wrote: post #184

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Yep. And this is why “liquid glass” is the hot new thing this year. That’s basically all we have left to drive the refresh cycle that tech is addicted to.

It surprises me that this is what apple has essentially boiled down to. Yes there are people stuck in the walled garden but they were willingly stuck there tbh. They liked apple vision and felt different. But if apple is just going to lose on all fronts ("AI","vision?","This year innovation=liquid-glass") Yeah, they might not be in a good state..., Also most people I see want an iphone just rebuy old iphones and thos…

Well, I’m pretty entrenched in Apple’s ecosystem because I value the iCloud integration between my devices, but all my devices are a couple years old and I tend to keep them until they are no longer supported (M1 Air, iPhone 14, iPad Air M1, etc.). In particular, I don’t drive my iPhone hard. As long as it can do phone and texting and run a browser and the Kindle app, I’m good. Needless to say, I won’t be upgrading devices for liquid glass.
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