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Schizophrenia is the price we pay for minds poised near the edge of a cliff

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It also makes you near unemployable as stress triggers the paranoia/psychosis.

Not for everyone. Many schizophrenics find their work calming and grounding.

Depends on the work. If it’s solitary work then yes, if it’s fast paced, social and stressful (like most high paying roles are) then no.

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Not for everyone. Many schizophrenics find their work calming and grounding.

Depends on the work. If it’s solitary work then yes, if it’s fast paced, social and stressful (like most high paying roles are) then no.

Sorry, it depends on the person. Elyn Saks is a law professor at USC who gives speeches to international audiences when she's not writing books - and she has schizophrenia. Her fame gives her a unique position: many people write letters to her. She's said that she's surprised by how many highly successful people confide in her that they have schizophrenia. There are schizophrenic CEO's, lawyers, doctors, founders. You just don't hear about them because they don't publicize their condition. Possibly because they fear judgment. Possibly because they want success on their own terms, to be simply a "successful person", not a "successful person with schizophrenia".

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I have schizoaffective disorder, induced by a bad trip from marijuana. It was like the 3rd time I had tried weed, and I naively took too much. For me psychosis feels like pattern matching going on extreme overdrive, while at the same time memory goes to shit. It's truly an awful illness, and what's worse is that the current medical treatments are bad. I've been fortunate enough where I can get by on a low dose olanza…

Interesting article:

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/some-unintuitive-properties...

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Depends on the work. If it’s solitary work then yes, if it’s fast paced, social and stressful (like most high paying roles are) then no.

Sorry, it depends on the person. Elyn Saks is a law professor at USC who gives speeches to international audiences when she's not writing books - and she has schizophrenia. Her fame gives her a unique position: many people write letters to her. She's said that she's surprised by how many highly successful people confide in her that they have schizophrenia. There are schizophrenic CEO's, lawyers, doctors, founders. Yo…

How do you know there are schizophrenic professionals?

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maybe theres a reason religion represses gay people, without the pressure of raising their own offspring there is 0 barrier to overt hedonism. lacking the opportunity to live this way and instead existing under a system of morality, the energy of gay people would naturally be inclined towards taking care of their own family, especially when a sibling dies in battle or by disease

They must participate in capitalism or trade and other activities that help survival. I don't think it just switches to doing favors.

its not like capitalism forces the hand of a gay person any moreso than a straight person , I dont see why the extra time on hand of a gay person could not be devoted towards aiding children in the family for example babysitting or financing extracurricular activities , a gay person elsewhere in this thread concluded as such

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During psychosis there is no question about what you hear. You hear it. You may know it isn't real, but you hear it.

I think people often imagine hallucinations as glaringly fake—I did, at least. It was an eye-opener when I finally realized the faint FM radio sounds I kept hearing in the middle of the night were actually manic hallucinations.

As someone who had psychedelic experiences, I thought they'd be like that.

In the few hours I experienced hallucinations after not sleeping for ~7 days, I also heard a radio playing faintly in the background. "Faintly" doesn't do it justice because it was very much undeniably audibly there, even if I knew it wasn't.

I also heard footsteps, felt their vibrations, heard and felt stuff on shelves shake in response to the stepping. It was stunning how in concert and real it was. It was like it was more real than reality itself.

I was aware it wasn't real which made it fucking terrifying, but it was both beautiful and absolutely fascinating at the same time. I was both in awe and horrified that it could be permanent.

Brains are crazy stuff and I can see just how easily someone can become delusional based on what is very much factual in their own experience of reality. There literally is no boundary between reality and true hallucinations, which is a terrifying prospect and

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My friend had a very similar episode with a psychosis, but turned out to be bipolar, not schizophrenic. Sounds very similar though! He was smoking a lot of weed leading up to and during the psychosis. Ended up in psychiatric ward for a month, which was followed by a couple of years of depression/introspection/therapy, but is now doing great with lithium.

It’s why I profoundly dislike the line of thinking that easier access to drugs means social progress. It’s rather a shedding off of an inconvenience for those that have no (direct) problems of functioning (eg risk of developing addiction, psychosis, etc) at the heavy costs payed by those that are more vulnerable.

There is pretty much zero barrier for accessing any drug. Even being busted by police or border guards for drugs don't make it a permanent problem. The real problem is advertisement. Cities have drug advertisements everywhere and it's legal. Banning all types drug ads, including ads of brands selling drug products, would be a genuinely great step towards limiting their impact.

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Its impossible to properly seperate biological evolution from current day enviromental pressure. There have been many natural and man-made disasters that have killed or otherwise economically robbed millions of people from a good future in their lifetime. Its difficult to say what the fitness function actually selected for. If you could look back far enough and understood most of the enviromental pressures we faced,…

Again, sure. However, this is still looking at things at the timescale of millenia at best. In my original comment, I was claiming that biological evolution is not relevant for this: > as people and societies become wealthier and better educated (both correlated with intelligence), their reproduction rates drop precipitously. Perhaps we've overshot the intelligence cliff and evolution is now gradually pulling us back…

Biological evolution is also impossible to measure on small timescales. that does not mean it does not exist, clearly it exists. It has an exponential effect on the future. I think we fully agree on this definition.

>as people and societies become wealthier and better educated (both correlated with intelligence), their reproduction rates drop precipitously.

There is also the unmistakeable influence of evolutionary psychology on people throughout human history, that seems to have accelerated. When people decide to have fewer kids, especially the more affluent ones, doesnt yet point to any biological influence. Other than the correlation between wealth, IQ and genetics. I dont think there are any risks of a reduction of intelligence through evolution. The world population reduction we're seeing might accelerate it instead.

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This makes good sense in my experience. I was struggling socially and academically in college so they proctored an IQ test to look for things like ADHD etc. I scored in the 98th percentile for verbal comprehension. Only 2 years later did I have my first psychosis and was diagnosed with Schizoaffective. Luckily after a few rough years I'm doing well on the lowest dose of an antipsychotic and can function in society again. But there are definitely cases of highly creative or people with strong language skills that the expression goes too far like this post suggests.

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They must participate in capitalism or trade and other activities that help survival. I don't think it just switches to doing favors.

its not like capitalism forces the hand of a gay person any moreso than a straight person , I dont see why the extra time on hand of a gay person could not be devoted towards aiding children in the family for example babysitting or financing extracurricular activities , a gay person elsewhere in this thread concluded as such

I'm thinking from the shoes of Sam Altman. "I'm gay, I'd rather become rich and famous and build OpenAI then babysit my nephew"

I'm saying capitalism forces our hand to the maximum extent such that it eats away all time involving free favors to other people. The ladder is unlimited in height.

So if I have 8 hours or 16 hours available for productive work it doesn't matter, I'm going to allocate all of it to capitalism because that's a never ending hole.

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