We are beyond the point of trying to convince naysayers. I will simply not hire anybody who is not good at using LLMs, and I don't think I would ever work with anybody who thinks they aren't very useful. It's like working with somebody who things compilers are useless. Obviously wrong, not worth spending time trying to convince. To anyone who reads this article and disagrees with the central point: You are missing th…
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#413I, knowing far less than him, would've had a much more elaborate prompt, and o3 would've proved a lot more competent/capable. Yet with my friend, since he knows so much already, and has such a high bar, he thinks the AI should be able to do a lot more with just a few basic words in a prompt... yet, for that same reason, he (understandably) doubts the inevitable sub-par output.
That's what makes all these debates about "Why are smart people doubting LLMs??" so pointless. The smarter you are, the less help you need, so the less prompting you do, the less context the model has, the less impressive the output, and the more the smart person thinks LLMs suck. With this logic, of course the smartest people are also the biggest skeptics!
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#414It’s like half of the arguments are designed as engagement bait with logical consistency being a distant concern:
> If hallucination matters to you, your programming language has let you down.
This doesn’t even make sense. LLMs hallucinate things beyond simple programming language constructs. I commonly deal with allusions to functions or library methods that would be great if they existed, but the LLM made it up on the spot.
The thing is, the author clearly must know this. Anyone who uses LLMs knows this. So why put such a bizarre claim in the article other than as engagement bait to make readers angry?
There are numerous other bizarre claims throughout the article, like waving away the IP rights argument because some programmers pirate TV shows? It’s all so bizarre.
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised to scroll to the bottom and see that the author is a HN comment section veteran, because this entire article feels like it started as a reasonable discussion point and then got twisted into Hacker News engagement bait for the company blog. And it’s working well, judging by the engagement counts.
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#415I was recently "pair-vibe-coding" with someone who's much 'smarter' than I am, certainly when it comes to coding, especially Python. He's always been in the LLM skeptic camp, and it was fascinating to see that because of his extensive Python knowledge, his prompting was actually very minimal and weak, one might even say 'lazy'. The output he got from o3 for our given task was therefore really mediocre, and had a few…
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#416>If you were trying and failing to use an LLM for code 6 months ago †, you’re not doing what most serious LLM-assisted coders are doing. Here’s the thing from the skeptic perspective: This statement keeps getting made on a rolling basis. 6 months ago if I wasn’t using the life-changing, newest LLM at the time, I was also doing it wrong and being a luddite. It creates a never ending treadmill of boy-who-cried-LLM. Why…
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#417The problem is that LLM never performs consistently. It works when it works. It doesn't when It doesn't. No one knows exactly why, and no one can tell when it's gonna fail. For example, even to this day, GPT sometimes gives me wrong calculations, even when it is instructed to use calculator for that. Who knows why it ignores the instruction, nor why it can't reliably perform the addition of two integers. That really screws up with the automation.
Anyways, I'm really tired of skeptic-skeptics. I hate some people believe "half-full" is genuinely better than "half-empty". I refuse that idea completely. It's more about which context you're in. If you need exactly a cup of water, it's half-empty. If you are lucky to have some water, it's half-full. If you have a clear direction you want to go, you discover a lot of deficiencies. If you're there just enjoying the moment, yeah, you can just keep enjoying the new toy.
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#418The argument seems to be that for an expert programmer, who is capable of reading and understanding AI agent code output and merging it into a codebase, AI agents are great. Question: If everyone uses AI to code, how does someone become an expert capable of carefully reading and understanding code and acting as an editor to an AI? The expert skills needed to be an editor -- reading code, understanding its implication…
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#419It's like the problem of half-full vs half-empty. We see LLM can handle certain tasks, but counter-examples are too far from being rare. So, "LLM can do A" is always followed by "LLM fails at A". The problem is that LLM never performs consistently. It works when it works. It doesn't when It doesn't. No one knows exactly why, and no one can tell when it's gonna fail. For example, even to this day, GPT sometimes gives…
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#420> Meanwhile, software developers spot code fragments seemingly lifted from public repositories on Github and lose their shit. What about the licensing? If you’re a lawyer, I defer. But if you’re a software developer playing this card? Cut me a little slack as I ask you to shove this concern up your ass. No profession has demonstrated more contempt for intellectual property. This kind of guilt-by-association play migh…