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Ditching Obsidian and building my own

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Re: Ditching Obsidian and building my own

#411

Wait. Sync is “free” if you want to use some other service other than Obsidian’s. I pay for Obsidian sync partially for slightly more convenience (fewer non-integrated points of failure) and also to support the app itself. I’d gladly pay $1000 over a decade for a crucial tool. If the concern is open source and true longevity, I get it, you don’t get that here. But cost for value? Holy shit. $1000 over a decade is abs…

I don't disagree with the overall comment but this bit seems like extreme hyperbole: > If you're a regular at a bar or restaurant, you pay an order of magnitude over $1000 a year for THAT service. This one is probably worth more. An order of magnitude over 1k per year is almost $30 per day, every day.

It’s missing commas; it should say “an order of magnitude [more], over $1000 a year, for…”

Re: Ditching Obsidian and building my own

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Most note-taking apps share the same fate: they either become obsolete over time (due to unsupported operating systems, security issues, or discontinued drivers) or end up locking you into a proprietary ecosystem. My solution was to move to a file-based system — using plain folders, files, symlinks, and relative links. The filesystem is one of the most fundamental and enduring parts of computing infrastructure, which…

You should write about your solution it sounds interesting

Re: Ditching Obsidian and building my own

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> Obsidian charges $8 a month to access the same notes across multiple devices. While not a huge amount for such a useful app, it adds up to an eye-watering amount - almost $1,000 if I planned to use Obsidian for a decade. This highlights one of my personal bugbears. People have a mental barrier when it comes to recurring, low-cost payments; even though the net sum is small in comparison to other things that they wou…

Also Obsidian asks for permissions to read files in all of the device on Android. They don't explain clearly why that is necessary. I don't see it being discussed that widely. Also another aspect is that many people seems to think Obsidian is open source, while it is not so.

> Also Obsidian asks for permissions to read files in all of the device on Android.

Oh interesting where did you find that?

Re: Ditching Obsidian and building my own

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. No, the data is already local, the app is already local, you're not relying on anything. 2. Or it might be orders of magnitude easier to parse vs replicating all the plugins functionality. You're just arbitrarily making the alternative worse 3. That's again something you've made up that's not a generic feature of alternative proprietary format 4. It might also be export to markdown. Again, unless you make up artif…

> 1. No, the data is already local, the app is already local, you're not relying on anything. That's not necessarily true. Some apps keep only cached copies of the data and the rest on the cloud. Sometimes the local files are in a binary format that is unreadable without the export functionality, and newer releases of certain apps remove the export functionality. > 2. Or it might be orders of magnitude easier to pars…

1. It true since the argument about formats. You can limit storage of open format to the cloud as well.

> and newer releases of certain apps remove the export functionality.

Then you'd just use the old release with the export functionality intact. You can also make up stuff like "Obsidian can release an app that deletes/encrypts all local files, retaining only the cloud copy, and start charging for it without having any export functionality"

> But I don't think you can credibly claim that a textual format like markdown isn't easier to parse than... well, almost any other format.

This isn't markdown, but markdown + dozens of extensions, so it's very easy to claim that it's much harder to write custom parsers for dozens of formats rather than use an existing parser for some more elaborate format that doesn't need those extensions.

> the files are stored in simple-to-read Markdown

they aren't, they're stored in an undefined format depending on which extensions you use. Part of it is markdown (which is not simple to read in the non-primitive case of richly formatted docs)

> there's no separate export

That's not a benefit! It means that you can't move outside of the Obsidian ecosystem because there is no well-defined format that you could use another app with! So it's (practically) even worse than Evernote since that one is already widely supported, though theoretically it's the same.

> But pretending there isn't a tradeoff is quite simply wrong.

Yet you've failed to identify it, turns out it all "depends on the specific app"! Fine, compare apps, but the general argument was about text-based proprietary format with a chance of data loss if the ecosystem dies (or a chance of requiring a lot of effort to convert), and a generic proprietary format that can be exported into a text-based format... with the same risks!

Re: Ditching Obsidian and building my own

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Vibe coding a plugin to increase security, compared to trusted, open-source code? The mind boggles.

Open-source code has been known to have back doors and versions with security vulnerabilities.

I would never use AI code gen I don't understand fully and typically made amendments to get what I need the tooling to do. So yes I prefer personal simple scripts I maintain and understand 100% : )

Re: Ditching Obsidian and building my own

#417

> Obsidian charges $8 a month to access the same notes across multiple devices. While not a huge amount for such a useful app, it adds up to an eye-watering amount - almost $1,000 if I planned to use Obsidian for a decade. This highlights one of my personal bugbears. People have a mental barrier when it comes to recurring, low-cost payments; even though the net sum is small in comparison to other things that they wou…

> A $5 latte every workday comes to (260 * 5) $1300 annually.

I spend ~€10 on food per day. Paying $5 for a coffee _every day_ sounds like a lavish luxury. Fun fact: global median income is only ~$2500.

> Obsidian sync is $96. Why would you not pay this amount for a tool you use everyday?

If I paid $96 for my notes to sync, I'd still need to set up some synchronisation mechanism for other files (e.g.: photos, documents, music, etc).

I.e.: I would still need something like Syncthing. If I'm going through the effort of setting up Syncthing, including notes notes for it is trivial.

Re: Ditching Obsidian and building my own

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For quick notes on the go, I also did go my own way and eventually built the app I wished I had. Journelly: kinda like tweeting but for your eyes only (in plain text) https://xenodium.com/journelly-like-tweeting-but-for-your-ey... While you don't need to know anything about its serialized format, it happens to be powered by Org plain text. For Markdown fans, I am recording Markdown interest. Do reach out: journelly +…

Where are the text/pictures stored?

Re: Ditching Obsidian and building my own

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post #415
post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. No, the data is already local, the app is already local, you're not relying on anything. That's not necessarily true. Some apps keep only cached copies of the data and the rest on the cloud. Sometimes the local files are in a binary format that is unreadable without the export functionality, and newer releases of certain apps remove the export functionality. > 2. Or it might be orders of magnitude easier to pars…

1. It true since the argument about formats. You can limit storage of open format to the cloud as well. > and newer releases of certain apps remove the export functionality. Then you'd just use the old release with the export functionality intact. You can also make up stuff like "Obsidian can release an app that deletes/encrypts all local files, retaining only the cloud copy, and start charging for it without having…

I don't really know what we're disagreeing on.

> This isn't markdown, but markdown + dozens of extensions,

Yes, if the way you use Obsidian includes dozens of extensions that each use a proprietary format, then it's similar to just using Evernote in many ways.

If you're mostly using plain markdown with only a few custom formats, then it's still easier.

If today, right now, Obsidian stopped working, I could literally open my Obsidian folder in VSCode and still be able to do 90% of the things that I do in Obsidian.

If today, right now, Evernote stopped working, it would take some effort to find a working version, export the files, convert them to markdown or whatever, etc.

I just don't know how you can claim that Obsidian is more effort to use outside of Obsidian than something proprietary.

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