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NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Post by vachina »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #179
ddahlen wrote: post #38

I have been in and out of the academic world my entire career. I have worked as a programmer/engineer for two universities and a national lab, and worked at a startup founded by some professors. There is huge uncertainty with the people whom I have worked with, nobody seems to be sure what is going to happen, but it feels like it wont be good. Hiring freezes, international graduate students receiving emails to self d…

The irony is that in their supposed effort to "Make America Great Again" they're going to end up accelerating China's rise. We may have decided that basic research is no longer something we want to do, but China's going to continue to forge ahead and leave us in the dust. All thanks to people who have no understanding of how anything works, but only want to tear things down that they don't understand.

Having looked at the list, I feel you’re gonna be fine

> NSF Grant Terminations 2025

> https://airtable.com/appGKlSVeXniQZkFC/shrFxbl1YTqb3AyOO

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Post by moralestapia »

beej71 wrote: post #298
762236 wrote: post #172

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DEI in practice is illegal (we don't get to make decisions based on race, or other protected categories of a person's identity). I get trained on this once a year at work. What we do instead is improve the probability that underrepresented people can enter the hiring pipeline, e.g., by investing in schools.

Every DEI program I've ever been involved in has been 100% about selecting people _purely_ on merit. Not race, not gender, not whether or not they're trans. The DEI trainings are about completely ignoring those factors when hiring. I'm curious what they call your trainings on the matter.

Interesting, you have a concrete example of any of those programs you mention?

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Post by alabastervlog »

damnitbuilds wrote: post #232
alabastervlog wrote: post #191

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> And the way to get more votes is to be more extreme ? You're doing an awful lot of stuff along the lines of "so you're saying BAD is actually good?" in this thread (not just with me), and it's not really a good way to have a discussion. It's good for arguing over, essentially, nothing.

I am questioning your assertion that moving from the center is the way to win votes, and asking a question that highlights how ridiculous it is. That is a perfectly normal way to discuss something. Going meta is not.

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Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Post by calmbonsai »

zhivota wrote: post #295

I worked at two National Laboratories, Argonne and Idaho, on NSF funded internship grants. The second one turned into a full time job, again on an NSF grant. The first one was on supercomputing, writing proof of concept code for a new supercomputing operating system (ZeptoOS). The second was on the automated stitching of imagery from UAVs for military applications (at a time when this was not commoditized at all, we…

Preach! It even touched high-schoolers.

I got a high school internship on an NSF grant to study ground penetrating radar for landmine detection. It was my first exposure to Maxwell's equations, Unix, networking, and most importantly how real research gets done.

I took away lifelong management and research mores, a love of Unix, and ended up getting my degree in EE.

These cuts will have huge follow-on costs that we can't later simply re-budget to recover.

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Post by naasking »

Smeevy wrote: post #257
coliveira wrote: post #217

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It's an undefined term that changes with whatever conspiracy they want to push. That's why I disagree with it. I don't like Trump, but he's the result of bad decisions made in America, not by some foreign power.

I think the problem here is that there isn't just one way in which Donald Trump is unduly influenced by Russia in ways that are difficult to explain. I can understand being skeptical, but there's several independent actions Trump has taken that are all inexplicably sympathetic to Russian interests. Just some quick examples: * Recommending American de-nuclearization while stating that Russia is no longer a threat to A…

> several independent actions Trump has taken that are all inexplicably sympathetic to Russian interests

Is it really inexplicable though? Or is it more plausible that you simply don't understand the motives, and probably haven't really tried?

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Post by gadders »

https://disinformationchronicle.substack.com/p/leaked-interv...

KAISER: Okay, so since you brought it up, kind of skipping around here, but so as you know, as you may not have seen the story. But we had heard it too, that there's going to be a policy canceling collaborations, foreign collaborations.

BHATTACHARYA: No, that's false.

KAISER: Is there going to be some sort of policy that...

BHATTACHARYA: There was a policy, there's going to be policy on tracking subawards.

KAISER: What does it mean?

BHATTACHARYA: I mean, if you're going to give a subaward, we should be able—the NIH and the government should be able see where the money's going.

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Post by guywithahat »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #381
guywithahat wrote: post #368

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Must be why you pay for college right, no demand otherwise they’d be paying you!

I think you messed up your grammar which makes the sentence hard to read but I think what you're getting at is right. College is a service, which is why you pay for it. If it didn't provide value, nobody would use it. Free college is a danger because there's no good way to assess its market value or whether we need it at all.

It's only by adding value that we create wealth, and some of these NSF grants are just jobs programs for engineers.

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Post by Workaccount2 »

freejazz wrote: post #344
Workaccount2 wrote: post #114

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Trump said yesterday he wants to raise taxes on people earning over $2.5MM[1] People on the left are going to be caught totally flat-footed if they don't pull their head out of their bubble. Trump is a populist president. He was elected by working class individuals and so far he has shown every intent of following through for them. People on the left don't recognize it because they don't recognize the tools that righ…

Where's Trump's socialized medicine plan? That's by far the most populist desire of populist America. It's very easy to get caught up in the name of things and not look at it substantively, which is what you seem to be attacking the other poster for. Trump might have a populist appeal, but it doesn't make him a populist. The weight of Trump's actions and promises lie in all this deportation and culture war nonsense,…

As I mentioned:

>People on the left don't recognize it [populism] because they don't recognize the tools that right wing people use to stimulate the working class.

I'm not going to go down the rabbit hole because it takes years to escape the ideological camp you grew into. But suffice to say, both sides ultimately want the same things and disagree on the route to take to that destination (while telling their base that obviously they are right, and obviously the other side is just evil).

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Post by moralestapia »

SequoiaHope wrote: post #394
baxtr wrote: post #366

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What do you mean when you say "only"?!

The post is a reference to religious fundamentalists that deny science and declare that god made the earth 6000 years ago. Science is an inconvenience for those wishing to make such declarations.

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Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Post by electriclove »

fallingknife wrote: post #314
beej71 wrote: post #298

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Every DEI program I've ever been involved in has been 100% about selecting people _purely_ on merit. Not race, not gender, not whether or not they're trans. The DEI trainings are about completely ignoring those factors when hiring. I'm curious what they call your trainings on the matter.

Every large company I have ever worked for has had noticeably lower standards for women and minorities (except for Asians of course because fuck them in particular). They will never say it in the trainings because they know it's illegal. They will never tell anyone anything except for "don't discriminate" but then they will incentivize discrimination by things like "diversity goals" (quotas) and setting recruiter bon…

This is the unspoken, unadmitted truth of what has been going on. Too bad you are getting downvoted for providing perspective
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