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Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

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Post by watwut »

jasonjayr wrote: post #127
anonu wrote: post #101

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I think thats exactly the point though. There is a perception that "left wing ideals" are represented in art and media and that this must end. This explains the executive order to defund NPR and PBS last week.

But isn't this the "free market" at play? Media with so-called "leftist" themes tend to do well commercially than "rightist" themes, so Hollywood just follows the money?

Yes and no, most people will happily watch movies with gays in them and those without gays.

For decades gays were not allowed and their presence caused blowbacks. It was called free market, despite there being literal rules preventing their presence. Likewise, non whites or women in leading roles - they were not in them, because Hollywood was conservative business in this sense. It took a lot of advocacy for the change to happen.

Right wing hates them, most people just watch those movies and are not weirded out anymore about women having lead action role or whatever. And right wing hopes to revert it back.

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Post by almostgotcaught »

cpursley wrote: post #377
almostgotcaught wrote: post #368

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> Any actual stats on people not brushing their teeth? google is free - it's not anyone's responsibility to educate you and answer your naive questions. and if did google and you're still not convinced, well then i'm glad you're not an elected official wherever it is you live (though if you live in the US i guess you probably voted for the current admin)

And who in the actual flying fuck are you to assume with such confidence who I voted for?

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Post by watwut »

jparishy wrote: post #152
brookst wrote: post #113

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By “protect” you mean “roll back to the 1950’s”, righ? Because Hollywood today was doing quite well and I don’t think I’ve heard a single industry source asking for this. IMO the other shoe here is stronger content restrictions and more government control of what gets made. Easier to do that with US productions, hence the attempt to make everything distributed in the US a US production.

Who isn't asking for something to bring more production home? Studio execs? People in LA, ATL, etc want to work, and every year there is less and less jobs below the line in the US, even though there's more productions overall paid for by US companies. This sentiment you're talking about is at least not universal

I have hear actors complain about AI, I have heard various guilds striking over about dozens of causes ... moving abroad was not one of them.

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Post by nobody9999 »

latexr wrote: post #60
csomar wrote: post #20

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It is not random. These are not some lucky people who got the lead of the world most powerful country. These are targeted at blue states/demographics. This should have been obvious from Section 174(c)(3) but somehow everyone seems oblivious to it?

> This should have been obvious from Section 174(c)(3) but somehow everyone seems oblivious to it? If you want to change that, i.e. make people aware of it, don’t just name the section; link to it and briefly explain what it is and why people should be against it. Even doing just one of those three would help your cause.

>If you want to change that, i.e. make people aware of it, don’t just name the section; link to it and briefly explain what it is and why people should be against it. Even doing just one of those three would help your cause.

I'm not sure why this (Section 174(c)(3)) [0] is relevant to our discussion in any way, but here it is for everyone's perusal:

>(3) Software development

>

>For purposes of this section, any amount paid or incurred

>in connection with >the development of any software shall

>be treated as a research or experimental >expenditure.

[0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/174

Edit: Fixed quote formatting.

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Post by ryandrake »

motorest wrote: post #365
Spooky23 wrote: post #238

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You have to remember that the MAGA movement is a cult of personality with a bunch of weirdos ginning up stupid and naive people. Thats it. The attack is the strategy. Burn some stuff down and move on.

> You have to remember that the MAGA movement is a cult of personality with a bunch of weirdos ginning up stupid and naive people. I think it's more pernicious than that. The whole MAGA movement has a rather obvious accelerationist agenda, which leads to self-destructive policies like dismantling basic social safety nets and eliminating basic state institutions. Their policies don't make sense to anyone outside of th…

Yea, that's fatal mistake that the (D) side keeps making: They assume that both sides have good intentions and are trying to make the world better, and that we simply disagree about what "better" means, and about methods, priorities and principles.

MAGA reminds me of That One Guy we all knew in High School who just wanted to cause trouble, start fights, insult people, light fires in the bathroom, destroy things, and basically grief anyone who encountered him. There's no good intentions here--no aim to make things better for everyone. It was just ABCD with that guy: anger, belligerence, cruelty, and defiance. Fast forward to today, and we've got 70M+ of these guys voting.

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Post by bloopernova »

ryandrake wrote: post #415
motorest wrote: post #365

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> You have to remember that the MAGA movement is a cult of personality with a bunch of weirdos ginning up stupid and naive people. I think it's more pernicious than that. The whole MAGA movement has a rather obvious accelerationist agenda, which leads to self-destructive policies like dismantling basic social safety nets and eliminating basic state institutions. Their policies don't make sense to anyone outside of th…

Yea, that's fatal mistake that the (D) side keeps making: They assume that both sides have good intentions and are trying to make the world better, and that we simply disagree about what "better" means, and about methods, priorities and principles. MAGA reminds me of That One Guy we all knew in High School who just wanted to cause trouble, start fights, insult people, light fires in the bathroom, destroy things, and…

We're all standing on top of a Jenga tower, and "that guy" thinks it would be fun to knock out blocks underneath us.

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Post by jparishy »

watwut wrote: post #413
jparishy wrote: post #152

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Who isn't asking for something to bring more production home? Studio execs? People in LA, ATL, etc want to work, and every year there is less and less jobs below the line in the US, even though there's more productions overall paid for by US companies. This sentiment you're talking about is at least not universal

I have hear actors complain about AI, I have heard various guilds striking over about dozens of causes ... moving abroad was not one of them.

Then you might be missing it as it’s a huge huge issue for below the line workers (actors are part of the package we’re shipping out to other countries)

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Post by bazoom42 »

This might have an interesting effect on the kind of movies produced in the US. Presumably other countries will hit American movies with reciprocal tariffs which will hurt the international market for Hollywood. But some genres play much better internationally than others. We might see a decline in fantasy and action blockbusters and a resurgence in wordy comedies and baseball movies.

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Post by jdiff »

imcritic wrote: post #267
jdiff wrote: post #140

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The questions you posed are not questioning fluoride, they're asking what the basic premise even is. If you don't understand that, you are far from the position needed to be evaluating and analyzing the necessity or benefits of it. The Wikipedia page you mentioned reading also points out that it's not only a US thing. Or even a water-only thing.

When I see an argument with a phrase like "basic premise" I know I'm reading some word mambo jambo, otherwise the author would just give their summary of that "basic premise" instead of deadlinking it (refer to something without actually referring it). You don't have an argument yourself, you just wanted to share that you are pro some position.

There are clear factual errors in the underlying assumptions of what was stated about water fluoridation. Those are simply table stakes for having a discussion about anything at all. If one thinks that water fluoridation is useful "just for a few seconds," that it's not done outside of the United States, that it's a replacement for toothpaste, that it's a vital chemical, or that we don't fortify other foods, then they do not know enough about the topic to talk about it, let alone hold the opinion that they know better.

If someone came in with a curious mindset, that'd be one thing. But this is someone walking into a room with an agenda (get rid of fluoride) and a shocking lack of knowledge about that agenda.

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Post by thrill »

peder wrote: post #308
vanjajaja1 wrote: post #196

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its very likely to cause reciprocal tariffs though, and exports of Hollywood way out weigh the imports of foreign films

There are big issues with foreign cinema. We still have a lot of structural advantages in the US to producing films. Production has shifted to other countries because of significant tax incentives. These tax incentives are a way that other countries are frankly not playing fair. The bottom line for me is that we shouldn't simply accept that films should all be filmed in Canada, Australia, the UK, or elsewhere. Hollyw…

Not playing fair? Horse hockey. Every sovereign nation is entirely within their rights to adjust their taxing system for their own benefit. Belief in this juvenile concept of fairness is how we got the unholy mess we're sitting in right now.
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