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Re: Bored of It

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Post by senordevnyc »

placardloop wrote: post #345
hersko wrote: post #223

This is insane. We have created the greatest tool in human history and people are complaining. I can use it to help me code, fix modeling issues as I learn CAD, help me troubleshoot the issues in my two-stroke leafblower engine and can consistently walk me through complex leetcode algorithms. It literally knows everything and people still complain.

It isn’t even close to being the greatest tool in human history. This type of misunderstanding and hyperbole is exactly why people are tired/bored/frustrated of it. The uncomfortable truth is that AI is the world’s greatest con man. The tools and hype around them have created an environment where AI is incredibly effective at fooling people into thinking it is knowledgeable and helpful, even when it isn’t. And the pe…

What is the greatest tool in human history in your opinion?

I think it's too early to call whether AI is the answer to that question, but I think it could be. Yes, LLMs are terrible in all kinds of ways, but there's clearly something there that's of great value. I use it all day every day as a staff-level engineer, and it's making me much better and faster. I can see glimmers of intelligence there, and if we're on a road that delivers human-level intelligence in the next decade, it's difficult to see what else would qualify as the greatest tool humanity has ever invented.

Re: Bored of It

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Post by 9rx »

diggan wrote: post #395
9rx wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At least they're actually considering if it's making them more or less productive At 1,000 hours of "debate", it is unlikely that anyone is considering if it is more or less productive, but rather are using that time to convince themselves that their position is the right one, even when it isn't.

> At 1,000 hours of "debate", it is unlikely that anyone is considering I mean, if you take that not as an exaggeration but at face value, it's 200 days of 5 hours of discussions per day. I'm fairly sure the specific number is an exaggeration, but if it isn't, I'd probably agree with you :)

To be fair, it was said to be the sum of all developer hours. If we assume 100 developers involved, that would only be 10 hours total. But even 10 hours "debating" something shows that you're no longer considering, just trying to justify something to yourself.

Re: Bored of It

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Post by senordevnyc »

It's blindingly obvious from the hundreds of negative comments here that people aren't bored of it, they're angry about it, but trying to pretend like they don't care.

Re: Bored of It

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Post by 9rx »

skydhash wrote: post #389
9rx wrote: post #359

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> How much time do we need? A few years will start to show if what AI is producing is a lability, or if it is just fine, methinks. If you haven't felt any pains from its legacy cruft by that point, it isn't apt to magically appear a long way down the line. > If we take space exploration as an example, at every stage, we have actual usefulness for what the technology so far was able to accomplish. When Archytas propel…

Let's ignore the hype and marketing and truly consider LLM as the first stage of "something". The truth is that I've heard a lot of speculation, but no inching towards any of the speculated objective on a practical scale. For anything else, any such first stage was usually constrained on a very small scale while the glaring issues were ironed out. Now a lot of us are being forced to tolerate what is essentially a pro…

Perhaps LLMs are in the Model T stage? The experience is terrible. Its slow. The roads are muddy and full of ruts. You are bound to break your arm when you spin the crank. But, still, it offers something ever so slightly more than the horse that you put up with it anyway.

Re: Bored of It

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Post by WD-42 »

baconbrand wrote: post #349
WD-42 wrote: post #342

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The difference is all those other things you listed - food, drugs, etc provide value. An ad provides none.

Ads provide information. An event you might be interested in is happening. A food you might like is available. A thing that will totally improve your life can be yours. etc

If that is all they were they wouldn't be a problem but this is obviously an over simplification.

Re: Bored of It

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Post by bashmelek »

I feel bored of AI as well.

LLMs and Generative AI are exciting, and I want research and development on such to continue.

I use Copilot at work, and sometimes it is scary on point (other times not). But at home, I like to do things by hand. I code unassisted, I draw with pencil and paper.

The conversation and secondary effects of AI, feel so dreary and banal. It is amazing technology, wielded so lazily

Re: Bored of It

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

zwnow wrote: post #404
lolinder wrote: post #354

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There's no discussion happening, though! They're just repeating themselves over and over and ignoring the contents of any replies.

Because the replies ignore the contents of my replies, weird isnt it

This is false. I quoted you and made counterpoints. You repeatedly ignored what I said and instead chose to say peculiar things like, "you arent (sic) the judge on this."

Anyone can read this thread and see this for themselves.

Re: Bored of It

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Post by swat535 »

hersko wrote: post #223

This is insane. We have created the greatest tool in human history and people are complaining. I can use it to help me code, fix modeling issues as I learn CAD, help me troubleshoot the issues in my two-stroke leafblower engine and can consistently walk me through complex leetcode algorithms. It literally knows everything and people still complain.

A tool that constantly generates incorrect information, lacks any real awareness or internal state, and doesn’t even recognize its own mistakes, even when you explicitly point them out is, frankly, pretty useless.

Ever had this conversation with ChatGPT?

- ChatGPT: Here's my solution!

- You: This is wrong, you need to do X.

- ChatGPT: You're right! My solution was wrong because [repeats what you said]. Here’s my revised answer!

- You: This is still wrong. I said do X.

- ChatGPT: Understood! This clarifies: [still gets it wrong].

Or worse, you can trick it:

- ChatGPT: X + Y = Z (which is actually correct)

- You: No, X + Y = Q (which is false)

- ChatGPT: You're right, X + Y = Q is correct because...

I guess it's useful for generating boilerplate code or text, but even then, it often makes mistakes.

Re: Bored of It

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Post by WD-42 »

zwnow wrote: post #406
WD-42 wrote: post #364

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> Well people like me benefit from society as I can benefit from people being naive. So you’re a leech on society, got it.

I even contribute, by paying taxes. Weird leech

Because you want to or because you are too much of a coward not to?

Something tells me you’d be face down in a ditch somewhere if the world actually reflected your ideal instead of the comfy one we live in where you get to take advantage of the “naive”.

Re: Bored of It

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Post by [deleted] »

biophysboy wrote: post #167
skrebbel wrote: post #31

Remember, being terminally online is a choice. There's nothing to be bored of you don't choose to be constantly confronted by it. The current thing is only the current thing if you choose to surround yourself by people who deeply care about the current thing.

Yes, but people (like this writer) want a better community. A person can abstain from the internet entirely, but they still have to live in a terminally online world.

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