U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine • Hacker News Board

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Post by tim333 » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 3:50 PM UTC

hnpolicestate wrote: post #402

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Well there's not much conspiracy theorizing. Politico article:

>The top level of the Soviet diplomatic service arranged his 1987 Moscow visit. With assistance from the KGB. It took place while Kryuchkov was seeking to improve the KGB's operational techniques in one particular and sensitive area. The spy chief wanted KGB staff abroad to recruit more Americans... https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-fir...

Which doesn't prove Trump did bad stuff but does kind of show the KGB were trying.

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Post by nervousvarun » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 3:57 PM UTC

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #408

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Yet somehow the US is continuing to send tons of expensive military aid to Israel. Which shows this isn't actually about the cost. If this had anything to do with money and caring about domestic spending first, then you'd see aid to Israel cut off as well. Funny how that's not happening.

>Yet somehow the US is continuing to send tons of expensive military aid to Israel. Yeah, why is that?

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?ind=Q05

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Post by hnpolicestate » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 3:57 PM UTC

tim333 wrote: post #411

hnpolicestate wrote: post #402

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Well there's not much conspiracy theorizing. Politico article: >The top level of the Soviet diplomatic service arranged his 1987 Moscow visit. With assistance from the KGB. It took place while Kryuchkov was seeking to improve the KGB's operational techniques in one particular and sensitive area. The spy chief wanted KGB staff abroad to recruit more Americans... https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump…

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Post by myvoiceismypass » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 3:58 PM UTC

egberts1 wrote: post #360

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Just so you know. The Ukranian constitution states no elections during war. All political opponents have come out and said we will hold elections after victory. Nobody is against postponement. Ukraine has had healthy consistent elections since the Russian backed government was booted out.

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> But curious, is Zelensky using the pretense of war to stay in power?

See this from just a week ago: "Zelenskyy offers to resign in exchange for peace, NATO entry"

https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-offer-re...

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Post by hnfong » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 3:59 PM UTC

amluto wrote: post #370

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The difference is Israel's enemies are easy to defeat. Russia, not so much. Europe made the same mistake as in world war II. Believing their own propaganda and convincing themselves that Russia would be easy to defeat. Trump talks to the military and knows what's reality.

I wasn’t around for WWII, but now don’t think you have this quite right. The US fought against Germany and its allies (and Japan, which had directly attacked the US and continued to fight after Germany surrendered). The war was never against Russia. Sure, maybe the US could have invaded Russia afterwards, but that would have been a disaster, kind of like how Germany’s invasion of Russia was a disaster and a bit like…

Well, GP isn't wrong. Nazi Germany controlled most of Europe in WWII, fought against Russia (Soviet Union) and lost...

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Post by theturtletalks » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 3:59 PM UTC

throwaway48476 wrote: post #321

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Amazing to see Russia win the Cold War—one we didn’t even know we were in. Their propaganda network is so strong that it took 3 weeks to go from “Russia is the enemy” to “eh, we have other problems” amongst the folks who…subscribe accordingly. Absolute masterclass in projecting power in the digital age.

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Isn’t it an open secret that Germany’s bureaucracy is littered with Russian intelligence officers?

The whole WireCard scandal there really opened my eyes.

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Post by aprilthird2021 » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 4:01 PM UTC

narrator wrote: post #186

arunabha wrote: post #19

It would be one thing if there was a clear policy and adherence to it. In that case, you could discuss and reason in good faith. However there is no such indication that this decision is based on a considered policy. Trump's supporters would say that this is a result of not wanting the US being involved in foreign conflicts. That is a laudable goal, however that is not what is happening here. From the article > On Fr…

The difference is Israel's enemies are easy to defeat. Russia, not so much. Europe made the same mistake as in world war II. Believing their own propaganda and convincing themselves that Russia would be easy to defeat. Trump talks to the military and knows what's reality.

If they're so easy to defeat why have we sent $30B+ to a country with a good economy and great quality of life for its own people to help them defeat them? Maybe they should pay for it all themselves since they keep prolonging all their wars?

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Post by libertine » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 4:02 PM UTC

kelipso wrote: post #312

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The USA was part of the Budapest Memorandum. This is a pretty strong reason for the USA to provide support for Ukraine. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

It's a reason but it's not a strong reason. Back then Ukraine was indistinguishable from Russia, basically a small breakaway country from the USSR. So the intent was more likely that the US wouldn't attack Ukraine. Besides which, the nukes in Ukraine were never under Ukraine's control or possession, so the agreement looks to be more for optics than anything.

It's just the US word signed in an agreement. Meaning the US word is now of the same value of Russia.

Saying Ukraine is a "small breakaway country from the USSR", while being the largest country in Europe is one of the most detached takes I've seen on this subject lmao

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

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Post by aprilthird2021 » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 4:04 PM UTC

jesterson wrote: post #125

nuccy wrote: post #6

Thus two messages for every other country: 1. Make nukes, never give up on those regardless of what assurances of safety you get 2. If you are bigger and stronger - you are right, do whatever you want, international laws and rules do not matter any more Lets see where all this will bring the world to in the next 10 years or a generation.

> If you are bigger and stronger - you are right, do whatever you want, international laws and rules do not matter any more Rules never mattered in history. it's always up to strongest to impose their version of "fairness".

And the strongest used to have a better version of fairness for so long countries got complacent and didn't realize how quickly it could flip on them

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Post by tmpz22 » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 4:04 PM UTC

throwaway48476 wrote: post #321

bradhe wrote: post #112

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Amazing to see Russia win the Cold War—one we didn’t even know we were in. Their propaganda network is so strong that it took 3 weeks to go from “Russia is the enemy” to “eh, we have other problems” amongst the folks who…subscribe accordingly. Absolute masterclass in projecting power in the digital age.

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I disagree that the KGB played a meaningful part in the Civil Rights Movement, rather they saw the race schism like everybody else did and tried to aggravate it - but it backfired and the Civil Rights Act remains a pivotal victory in American history.

It’s now illegal to teach that perspective in Florida however as it falls under recent CRT laws and administrators are now fearful of any adjacent curriculum.

Regardless it’s really important to mention the Civil Rights movement now in the context of the Department of Education which was formed in part to enforce the Civil Rights Act (and later the Americans with Disabilities Act). Republicans are now tearing down the Department of Education. Effecting research and medical student loans TODAY (in my family) and much more TOMORROW.