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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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sepositus wrote: post #402
gildas wrote: post #202

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I'm sorry but it's normal. You don't have the right to offend people online or not.

What's normal? You just offended a whole group of people and probably had no intention of doing it. You're proving the point on why the whole thing doesn't work. You should get your comment removed if you seriously believe this to be true and want to avoid being hypocritical.

I'm sorry if you feel offended. My comments will be removed by HN moderators if they think it's necessary. You can flag and downvote them meanwhile. You can also contact the moderators or your local police if you think it is necessary.

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by gildas »

adamsb6 wrote: post #395
gildas wrote: post #202

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I'm sorry but it's normal. You don't have the right to offend people online or not.

I find this extremely offensive.

I'm sorry. I'm open to discussion if you can explain what is offending to you

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by immibis »

ty6853 wrote: post #389
immibis wrote: post #380

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I see - you think harassment and privacy violation is free speech. Please stay away from Europe.

Cool so now free speech is reduced to anything not viewed as harassment. I think I will take your advice, that's dystopic and far worse than just your prior bullet points.

Uh, it's reduced to things that are not harassment. Who said "viewed as"? Are you trying to make everything subjective, so you can argue all opinions about harassment are equally valid?

This is like saying the US's gun law is "reduced" to everything "viewed as" the right to keep and bear arms. I don't think you can legally own a nuclear missile anywhere in the US, even in Texas.

Which part of taking someone's picture is speech, anyway? I didn't see that in the first amendment.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by immibis »

NalNezumi wrote: post #134
gamblor956 wrote: post #109

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I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? No. The US will experience a brain drain to Europe, Canada, and Australia, but not to China. Trump still has a ways to go to match the excesses of the Xi regime.

That would be my guess too. But as I read scientific paper regularly, I can't ignore how vast majority of the author names (well at least in STEM, ML/Robotics, latter is my interest) are Chinese. I don't think those young talents would mind moving to China, especially when anti-asian sentiment have been on the rise since Covid. But since many renown European universities/research center also have those bright young C…

It's not a brain drain - it's not Americans moving into China. It's Chinese people getting educated and doing stuff themselves.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by Spivak »

throwawayq3423 wrote: post #277
Spivak wrote: post #254

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I think a good chunk of America had their "Soviets seeing an American supermarket" moment on Red Note when they got to see what city life is actually like in China from the perspective of regular people.

Red Note is Instagram for rich kids. If China managed to frame their upper class as ordinary, good for them. Propaganda win for their regime. Not sure why we are making that mistake here.

Instagram is Instagram for rich kids, I know. But like I am ostensibly also a rich kid (probably) by your metric. And I have a very nice looking aesthetic social profile, I know how it translates to what real life is. At this point, that's just basic media literacy.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by dluan »

andsoitis wrote: post #238
dluan wrote: post #59

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It's already been happening for years. Award winning faculty and scientists are fleeing US universities and institutions and setting up shop in China, often with more funding and talent available, and no McCarthyism accusations of being spies. It started officially in 2018 with the US Department of Justice's "China Initiative", which basically just allowed anyone to go on a witch hunt of Chinese and Chinese American…

> Award winning faculty and scientists are fleeing US universities and institutions and setting up shop in China, often with more funding and talent available, and no McCarthyism accusations of being spies. It started officially in 2018 with the US Department of Justice's "China Initiative", which basically just allowed anyone to go on a witch hunt of Chinese and Chinese American academics. While some of what you wri…

That's going to be a little skewed because the initial years was primarily scientists fleeing to Europe, Australia, Canada. The last few years has been heavily China.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by redserk »

ty6853 wrote: post #388
pezezin wrote: post #352

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And why is that a good thing?

Well for one, Europe has a history of gassing disarmed people and those on registries, for two locking your gun up to pick someone up from the airport just presents an unnecessary opportunity for it to be stolen. Why is it a good thing to put someone into a tiny cage for victimless possession crimes? Why must I convince you why whatever I do is good to preserve my rights? Fuck all that.

Europe is a pretty big place with a lot of disparate governments. Abstracting it to merely "Europe" is ignoring how the world operates. Many European governments have been actively expanding and enshrining rights of individuals.

Secondly, none of your points are pertinent to the day-to-day of anyone in academic research/science. Perhaps only to the irrationally paranoid.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by lykahb »

gyomu wrote: post #63
kasey_junk wrote: post #27

The interesting thing in this article isn’t that China is telling people to avoid the US for national security reasons. Many states, including the US have similar guidance to people who work in jobs sensitive to national security. What’s interesting is that China is viewing AI tech as a technology vital to their security.

The real reason why states are pouring billions into AI isn't to generate silly emoji, help people rewrite their emails, or make a web app without learning how to code. It's for autonomous drone warfare. Invading a neighboring nation doesn't seem too appealing if it means sending tens/hundreds of thousands of your young people (a resource that's getting scarcer and scarcer most everywhere in the world) to the meat gr…

I think that the autonomous drone warfare is more of a near-term milestone than the goal. The goal itself seems to be AGI and the advances in the basic research and engineering that it brings.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by dluan »

brookst wrote: post #88
throwaway48476 wrote: post #70

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I think the complaint is with the government hearings to investigate individual citizens political views. Doesn’t seem especially aligned with the supposed values of the country. Many of the people outed and persecuted for homosexuality were really gay. That doesn’t make it any less offensive.

It's just not even good security policy, and in some cases will do irreparable harm. These are incredibly smart and valuable people who are leaving and no longer under your sphere of influence, and where their work will now massively benefit your perceived adversary, eg China wouldn't have a nuclear program today if it weren't for the 50s episode.

It's cutting off your nose, face, and brain just to get a little bit of fun discrimination in.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by sepositus »

gildas wrote: post #411
sepositus wrote: post #402

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What's normal? You just offended a whole group of people and probably had no intention of doing it. You're proving the point on why the whole thing doesn't work. You should get your comment removed if you seriously believe this to be true and want to avoid being hypocritical.

I'm sorry if you feel offended. My comments will be removed by HN moderators if they think it's necessary. You can flag and downvote them meanwhile. You can also contact the moderators or your local police if you think it is necessary. EDIT: It might not be possible to flag or downvote comments. So, I recommend you to contact the moderators or your local police. You can find my name and address on my GitHub profile.

I have no interest in pressing charges against you or getting you in trouble. That would be hypocritical of me and contrary to my beliefs. I was simply pointing out how easy it is to offend people on the internet and why it simply doesn't work at scale. If no one has the right to say something potentially offensive on the internet, then the whole thing needs to be shut down.
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