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Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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As a citizen, I don’t understand what the UK government thinks they are getting here - other than the possibility of leaks of the nation’s most sensitive data. Also is it not possible to set up my Apple account outside of the UK while living here?

I don't know, they've definitely been cracking down on journalists over the past year. Could be an attempt to crack down harder / create a chilling effect

They've been sending people to prison for posting memes....

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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I have a naive question, and it's genuine curiosity, not a defence of what's happening here. This ADP feature has only existed for a couple of years, right? I understand people are mad that it's now gone, but why weren't people mad _before_ it existed? For like, a decade? Why do people treat iCloud as immediately dangerous now, if they didn't before? Did they think it was fully encrypted when it wasn't? Did people no…

Apple and the FBI were squabbling over this for a few years, and then Apple decided to end the conversation one day and implement ADP

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Would just upload the keys

Presumably these keys live in a hardware security module on your phone called “secure enclave” and cannot be extracted

Is this module auditable though, or is "just trust us", like everything in the Apple world?

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Fundamentally, I think the issue is more about technical literacy amongst the political establishment who consistently rely on the fallacy that having nothing to hide means you have nothing to fear. Especially in the UK which operates as a paternalistic state and enjoys authoritarian support across all parties. On the authoritarianism: these laws are always worded in such a way that they can be applied or targeted va…

> that having nothing to hide means you have nothing to fear

hopefully the US turning from leader of the free world to Russia's tool will give them the kick they need to realise that just because you trust the government now doesn't mean you trust the next government or the one after it.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Can someone explain what's changed in the UK that they would consider requesting unfettered access to all Apple customer data (including outside their own borders)? I get that the NSA is infamous for warrant-less surveillance, but this seems a step further.

This isn't warrant-less, it's with a warrant. This isn't really a change the UK, it's the UK trying to adapt to the proliferation of E2E encryption - ten years ago, law enforcement could always access your messages, now the default if you're on whatsapp/iMessage is they can't because E2E is on by default. UK lawmakers aren't happy with a default position of the state being totally incapable of reading messages, no matter what the law says.

It might not be cryptographically sensible, but it is responding to a real change in the strength of the state.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Devil's Advocate (meaning I don't agree with this, in fact I disagree with it, but I don't see this argument being made anywhere and think it would be interesting. If you're one of the people who are offended by this practice of people steel-manning "the other side" and only want to read comments that affirm your position, please don't read this comment). Question: Wouldn't it be better for Apple to build a UK-only e…

The UK's law here is specifically targetting encrypted data globally.

> The UK government's demand came through a "technical capability notice" under the Investigatory Powers Act (IPA), requiring Apple to create a backdoor that would allow British security officials to access encrypted user data globally.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Too right, it was far more problematic than they ever made out. > The UK government's demand came through a "technical capability notice" under the Investigatory Powers Act (IPA), requiring Apple to create a backdoor that would allow British security officials to access encrypted user data globally. The order would have compromised Apple's Advanced Data Protection feature, which provides end-to-end encryption for iCl…

It's always hilarious to see how far people here are ready to go to twist some bad Apple news into something which might be considered good. I mean seriously. Apple making a stand? What stand? They are ripping security out of their customers hands. Customers which are already dependent on the company's decision in their locked in environment. There is absolutely nothing good about it, and you dragging Android into it…

There is an upside (if you trust them) -- they're pulling a feature rather than adding a back door to it. Supposedly, anyway.

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As someone currently a citizen of the UK, what are my best emigration opportunities?

Wasn't this in line with JD Vance's European Eulogy last week, that we shouldn't be using 1984 as a playbook?

1984 could only ever have been written by an Englishman

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Yes - that is my impression as well as someone currently living in London. Literally ever single system that I have to interact with seems to be somewhere on the spectrum between barely functioning and complete disfunctionality, with almost very few exceptions that come to mind. By system in this context I mean every institution, service provider, company, business... everything. Couple that with low salaries across…

Well Albanians apparently want to live in Norwich, leading to a bizarre anti-propaganda campaign with bleak black-and-white photography to convince them it's horrible. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99n0x4r17mo Probably your money would go futher in Albania, and they've got a cool flag, but the devil's in the details.

I was referring to EU [European Union] countries. Albania is not in the EU so I am not sure what the point of your comment was besides trolling
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