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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by clauderoux »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #81
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

There was a good (?) video on the subject the other day, it was mainly about Volkswagen / VAG but highlighted the software problem. Cars are / were basically Frankenstein monsters under the hood, with dozens of onboard computers / chips all needing to work independently yet collaboratively and talk to each other. VW set up a new subsidiary and hired 3000 people to build the car software system of the future, reducing…

Mazda is pretty great actually. I have a CX30 (3 years), where the screen is not sensitive and everything is controlled with mechanical buttons...

The best of both worlds...

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by 11mariom »

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

I have SOS Inoperative in car. Contacted the dealer, it seems like it can be software issue - where update will fix it… But I have to pay for it. Pay for a software bug!

For me it's just another stupid notification to close after getting in car, just after "no seat belts fastened in rear" - yeah, 'coz nobody here!

Giving me notification about unnecessary things, but when one module failed and got car in limp mode - nothing showed, I was just shocked when car couldn't accelerate as expected… during overtake. Yeah, safety.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by cma »

tomp wrote: post #350
voidUpdate wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I was to buy a car these days (which I'm not, I don't have nearly enough money for that), I'd want something with as little "computer" in it as possible. Just a box with 4 wheels and an engine, or maybe a battery and a motor, maybe a heater for when it gets a bit cold, and I'll throw a bluetooth speaker in the back seat if I need something to listen to

It's literally illegal. In the EU, it's illegal to sell cars that don't have back camera, not beeping if seatbelt not fastened, and not beeping if speed limit is exceeded.

Same in US: your car has externalities on others. Even if it was a one seater you'd up everyone else's liability insurance without the chime.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by stackedinserter »

DanielHB wrote: post #295
FpUser wrote: post #293

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>"It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability." Except the cases where there is a need to support some ancient / exotic browser this is total BS. There is no special sauce in SPA that makes it less reliable contrary vs backend rendered.

People tend to forget all the god awful server-side PHP/JSP/ASP slop of back in the day. I dunno, to me those days felt worse than today. But yeah, bad software is bad no matter the tech used.

I wish people opened their router UI more often to cure nostalgia.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by cess11 »

yourusername wrote: post #356
cess11 wrote: post #120

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I spent 2 * 1 hours in a 'fresh' car some time ago, it was a nasty experience. It had all these 'backseat driver' functions, like trying to figure out and then misjudging somehow what the speed limit currently was or trying to influence where on the road I place the car, as if it could know better than I do what would be appropriate. The 'lane assist' was just absurdly awful, it only figured out where the car was som…

>like trying to figure out and then misjudging somehow what the speed limit currently was or trying to influence where on the road I place the car, as if it could know better than I do what would be appropriate. These "features" are now mandatory in the EU so you can look forward to a lot more cars implementing them as they try to sell global cars.

Where I live it's a common hobby to tune and style cars, so I'm hoping these people will have figured out how to make future cars tolerable when I'm forced to move off the old school machines. Maybe it'll be possible to switch out the ICE for another powertrain, without at least some of the annoying christmas lights.

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Post by jamincan »

cjrp wrote: post #112
PeeMcGee wrote: post #84

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The cold weather alert especially gets on my nerves. I appreciate the heads up, but I don't appreciate the HUD crying wolf about stuff that doesn't require my immediate attention.

This is my biggest bugbear with VW (and related) cars. The "it's below 4ºc" message has the same warning tone as messages about tyre pressures, engine malfunctions, etc.

Mine is the "grab your steering wheel" alert when the lane-keep assist does too good of a job staying in the lane and it doesn't receive any steering input from me for too long of a period.

I do have to say that after test-driving a number of different vehicles before buying my Taos last summer, that I appreciate that VW continues to use real buttons for most inputs - although I do understand a number of their other vehicles use capacitive touch buttons.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by yubblegum »

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #117
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a good (?) video on the subject the other day, it was mainly about Volkswagen / VAG but highlighted the software problem. Cars are / were basically Frankenstein monsters under the hood, with dozens of onboard computers / chips all needing to work independently yet collaboratively and talk to each other. VW set up a new subsidiary and hired 3000 people to build the car software system of the future, reducing…

The BMW G20 3-series before and after the facelift[1] perfectly exemplifies this issue. [1]: https://cdn.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/bmw-3-ser... EDIT: top is after, bottom is before.

That box sticking out of dashboard is one of the most retarded things I've ever seen in a German car.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by apexalpha »

ps wrote: post #222

I have owned Model S since 2018, now driving my second one (Raven). The first one was just poor manufacturing Tesla has been known for forever. Second one is however the disaster. So many sounds while turning the steering wheel, driving on tiny slopes, braking etc. forced me to convince the service center to replace the suspension, arms & half-shafts (all under warranty). None of these steps helped, service center pr…

>The first one was just poor manufacturing Tesla has been known for forever.

Why did you buy a second one??

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by MontgomeryPy »

voidUpdate wrote: post #226
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

If I was to buy a car these days (which I'm not, I don't have nearly enough money for that), I'd want something with as little "computer" in it as possible. Just a box with 4 wheels and an engine, or maybe a battery and a motor, maybe a heater for when it gets a bit cold, and I'll throw a bluetooth speaker in the back seat if I need something to listen to

Hello to my fellow Saab daily drivers silently nodding their heads ;)
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