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U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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gambiting wrote: post #204
dzonga wrote: post #188

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>>currently been held up by migrants they don't like. What does that even mean?

before migrating to the u.k - immigrants prepay for services e.g nhs etc. then still get taxed when they work for those same services. & remember some of these services are not easily available. yeah NHS is free - but good luck getting an appointment at the doc.

that's extra revenue for the u.k gvt.

the security guards, the care workers etc - which people are working those jobs ? immigrants or spouses of immigrants.

right now the conservative leader Kemi is campaining to increase permanent residency to 10 years. & citizenship to 15 years. who's gonna stay for that in a country where electricity & basic bills are expensive as hell.

skilled native british people are leaving & getting replaced by migrants. the doctors at the nhs majority are foreign trained.

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Post by zahllos »

blibble wrote: post #120
maeil wrote: post #102

From the macrumors thread: > So much for personal liberties. I'd like to give Labour the benefit of the doubt and assume this is a holdover from the last government knowing how fast the civil service actually works but given the Tory 3.0 plan they are going with I wouldn't put it passed them. >We didn't vote for this. You very much did vote for this, you voted for Labour under Keir Starmer and he did not particularly…

quite why Labour deserve the benefit of the doubt on anything authoritarian I don't know Labour was behind: - forced key disclosure (Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000), still in force - 72 day detention without charge (Terrorism Act 2006), defeated before it became an Act - national identity register and mandatory id cards (Identity Cards Act 2006), ripped up by the next Tory government - various attempts a…

As I posted under another comment, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Data_Bill_200... - communications data bill 2008 / interception modernisation programme. A precursor to what became the IPA.

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Post by robertlagrant »

Take8435 wrote: post #283
derbOac wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right to point out how carefully worded these statements are. But I suspect it's rare for companies of Google's status to not have been asked for a backdoor. It's not really an informative question to ask Google.

Can you elaborate on why you say it is not informative?

Presumably because the answer is "of course yes".

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Post by zahllos »

ninalanyon wrote: post #342

Surely any moderately sophisticated group of criminals can simply create there own end to end encryption apps. So even if the UK, or other governments, get there own way they will only et to see the content related to the less competent criminals. Perhaps it's still worth it to some.

As Encrochat/ANOM/Sky ECC show, not only is this possible, it actually happens.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

scarface_74 wrote: post #286
tacomagick wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"As far as we know" is the most important part.

Don’t you think out of the thousands of Apple employees that someone would leak it?

Apple is famous for keeping projects secret from its own employees. To be clear, I think it's unlikely that this has already been set up for the US, but it would be easiest to do at Apple.

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Post by flaminHotSpeedo »

Spivak wrote: post #365
jibe wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has forced Apple to outsource iCloud in China to a state run company, so all data is just directly controlled by the government there. It’s an even worse situation. https://support.apple.com/en-us/111754

We literally tried to do this with TikTok. We can't exactly stand on a high-horse when the highest level of government in the US was totally fine with it. Our noble "we can't have American data in the hands of our enemies," their savage "forcing American companies to turn over user data."

Edit: I misread the comment tree, I thought this comment was equating the TikTok situation to the UK's request.

I agree that the TikTok demands are pretty similar, though I might quibble over whether they're literally the same, since arrangements like that are the status quo in China but not in the US

Original comment below:

How is "remove foreign control of data on our nation's users" remotely the same as "give us access to foreign users' data"?

They're not even figuratively the same, despite you literally misusing that word

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Post by talldayo »

varispeed wrote: post #358
Lio wrote: post #273

I don't think the UK government would try to put Apple out of business if they don't comply it's more likely that they would just get heavily fined until they do so. The most likely outcome, I would guess, is that Apple just stop offering Advanced Data Protection as a service in the UK rather than create some kind of backdoor. It's a weak proposition from the government because anyone with something to hide will just…

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They should work at an Apple store then: https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/7/22522560/apple-repair-mult...

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Post by lern_too_spel »

csomar wrote: post #285
jibe wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has forced Apple to outsource iCloud in China to a state run company, so all data is just directly controlled by the government there. It’s an even worse situation. https://support.apple.com/en-us/111754

How is this worse? This only affects users in China.

And users who communicate with users in China using Apple services.

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Post by talldayo »

cedws wrote: post #296

The UK government drops the ball on just about every matter the public care about, but when it comes to overreaching digital surveillance, they're absolutely obsessed.

glances at FIVE-EYES

I wouldn't characterize the rest of the world as not obsessed, really.

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