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Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by Lammy »

ajdude wrote: post #86

Unfortunately, I will never be able to take advantage of this policy, For the very reason that I have kagi Set as my exclusive search engine on every single device that I own, And there's no way that I could go even a Day, let alone a month, without using this fantastic service. Keep up the good work guys!

Same here. I don't often feel the need to shill for paid products but Kagi is so good that I want to do everything I can to make sure it sticks around. It's like air in the sense that it's easy to forget how much I need it until I suddenly don't have it lol

I was sold when it helped me uncover pages I'd never read before about an extremely niche local history topic.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by jorvi »

yegg wrote: post #378
basch wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kinda sad to read this. The future of search is search. The future of summaries is summaries. This should be a "youve lost your way" moment. And quite frankly, search already broke the directory, which needs a comeback as its own product. You should be able to search the web without needing to know to ask for what you dont know to ask for. Dont let summary break search the way search broke directory. If I want an LLM…

I also like traditional results, which is how I got into this in the first place (crawling myself). I meant the conversation right now is about AI-assisted answers, and just revised to make that more clear what I referring to. In any case, I agree with you they should just be a part of the search results page. Where they should appear is actually an interesting question we are exploring right now, and are finding the…

I'm (obviously) a Kagi stan, but let me say that I actually like AI answers. Especially the way Kagi does it, where it stays out of your way, unless you add "?" at the end of a query.

One nit that I can see someone else already brought up, is that on Kagi you can't converse with Quick Answer. If it interpreted the query wrong or you want alternate information, you need to juggle new searches until you get the answer you're looking for.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by pbronez »

thesuitonym wrote: post #348
7thaccount wrote: post #291

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That's really nice sounding and comforting. I've been a little on the fence, but Google has become such absolute garbage lately that I've had to frequently use Bing in order to find something that should be one of the first results. This may just be a better model.

Kagi is so much better. You should just try one of the lower tier subscriptions for a while and see what it's like. Just for warning, you'll still want to use Google as a backup for hyper local results, but generally the experience with Kagi is much better.

> you'll still want to use Google as a backup for hyper local results

And can do so by adding !g to a Kagi query, just like on DDG.

You know, I once ordered takeout from the other side of the country because I had too much privacy on my search engine...

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by sillyfluke »

gkbrk wrote: post #390
sillyfluke wrote: post #380

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> Today , Kagi has a negative incentive Thank you for agreeing with me. Why would I bother using a VC-backed search engine today that forces me to login to use it routinely only to receive an email later saying, "An Update to our Terms of Service". And whose only way to convince me that they do not store my data is to tell me that I can "trust them." Even if I trusted them , I wouldn't trust their investors or their…

Are you hitting "New Identity" in the Tor browser, removing all cookies/sessions and creating a new circuit for each search? In that case I guess there is not too much they can deduce aside from the type of device (desktop, mobile). But of course, if you make more search queries without hitting "New Identity", they can piece together a lot more than that, including exactly who you are with enough time between new ide…

>If you're going so far, you can use Kagi from Tor as well.

I have to remind you we're talking about preventing Kagi or Google from tracking you. This suggestion makes no sense when you're forced to sign-in to Kagi to use it meaningfully as your default search engine anyway no matter where you're connecting from.

Your first two paragraphs describe a use case that is way more convenient than your last paragraph, and most crypto wallets have most likely come into contact with exchanges that have the user's kyc data to begin with.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by hylaride »

vinhcognito wrote: post #258
pietz wrote: post #241

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It's so crazy to me to hear these super positive opinions. I gave kagi a shot for several months but the results were quite a bit worse than Google or DuckDuckGo. Maybe it's because I live in Germany and kagi doesn't do well with German content but I never understood the hype of kagi.

I honestly can't imagine Kagi being worse than Google. At minimum, Kagi lets me derank and ban domains I don't like.

This is the best feature of kagi. I still use google as a backup (there are a handful of large websites that only allow crawling from the big guys - reddit in particular), but the fact that I can ban experts-exchange, pinterest, and other horseshit is alone worth the price of admission.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by idamantium »

pietz wrote: post #241
ajdude wrote: post #86

Unfortunately, I will never be able to take advantage of this policy, For the very reason that I have kagi Set as my exclusive search engine on every single device that I own, And there's no way that I could go even a Day, let alone a month, without using this fantastic service. Keep up the good work guys!

It's so crazy to me to hear these super positive opinions. I gave kagi a shot for several months but the results were quite a bit worse than Google or DuckDuckGo. Maybe it's because I live in Germany and kagi doesn't do well with German content but I never understood the hype of kagi.

Comparing Kagi to Google on an individual search basis may not be the best way to assess the service. There are a number of features that make it preferable to Google and DuckDuckGo for many of us.

- Ranking results from specific websites has been well referenced in comments here. I love always knowing if something is on archive.org and wikipedia by having those results come to the top. I also rank certain sources of medical information up and down based on reputability, basically overriding their SEO nonsense.

- There are subtle indications for sites that have a high number of ads and trackers, allowing me to opt not to even click on those results.

- AI summaries and answers are not on by default, and simply adding a question mark to the end of my search allows me to get an AI generated answer to my inquiry. I've found these to be very good, but I don't always want them so the control is great.

- Marketing and ecommerce sites seem to be aggressively minimized, which makes the internet feel less like walking through a mall. I only really go to Google if I am shopping for something and want those kinds of results, but this is rare.

All of this makes for a much better experience of the internet overall for me. The reduced cognitive noise is well worth the $10 in my case.

I can't speak to how it preformed in non-English content, so you may be well served by using Google for German content in that case.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by idamantium »

ajdude wrote: post #86

Unfortunately, I will never be able to take advantage of this policy, For the very reason that I have kagi Set as my exclusive search engine on every single device that I own, And there's no way that I could go even a Day, let alone a month, without using this fantastic service. Keep up the good work guys!

Me, too!

What I love most about this fair pricing is it makes it was more appealing to encourage my friends to give it a try. Thank you, Kagi!

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by pbronez »

fhd2 wrote: post #85
manmal wrote: post #38

Ok that’s it, I‘ll renew my account now. I‘ve been using it two years ago and was pretty happy, until a problem in my payment processor failed the payments to Kagi. I thought I wouldn’t miss it, but lately I haven’t been happy with DDG and been reaching more for Google, or should I say suffering Google? I also thought for a while that things like ChatGPT internet search or perplexity would replace DDG and Kagi, but,…

Exactly! For a lot of work, I use Claude as my first source, then typically I verify what I got out of it with a search engine. If the search engine also starts to hallucinate (starting to see that on Google if I'm not crazy), I have zero use for it. I want results that match my search query, period.

Kagi also has solid AI features.

Their Quick Answer feature does an AI summary of your query results. By default it shows up automatically when it has high confidence. You can disable this in settings or force it to show up by adding "?" to your query.

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/quick-answer.html

If you want to jump into an AI chat session, you can add bangs to your queries. "!expert" launches a top of the line research agent and "!code" is good and software development. Both of these use the underlying search engine to get current facts.

Kagi even maintains their own LLM benchmark to monitor how well different models perform. They occasionally swap out default models to keep performance SOTA. You can specify a specific model if you want.

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/llm-benchmark.html

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

pseudocomposer wrote: post #304

This is a nice way to convince people to dip into the Kagi ecosystem. I use Kagi full-time, by default in all my browsers and love it! So this won’t save me a dime (which is still totally cool). It would be nice if they implemented it (or some metered pricing) for the extra-cost AI/LLM features, though (since I pay for them but rarely, if ever, use them). I also really like this model for subscription services in gen…

Another win for Kagi. Companies like Kagi, Valve win by just being nice. Can't stop winning.
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