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Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by pksebben »

hammock wrote: post #58
pksebben wrote: post #49

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...which does just about as much as voting (that is, precious little). If we're ever going to claw ourselves out of this (or any) mess, we need ranked choice or something like it. The giant douche / turd sandwich dichotomy needs to end, for everyone on any side of the political spectrum.

> which does just about as much as voting Did you expect something else? No matter what system of voting we use, unless we go back to only white landowning men can vote or something (doubt we want to do that), you can’t avoid the fact that 160 million+ people vote together for President. The most viable solution looks less like changing to ranked choice and more like returning more governing power to lower levels of…

Wait, though. It's not that there are too many voters. It's that the system of voting we use doesn't connect the vox populi to the means of social control.

If you're given the choice between two bad options, you aren't really given the choice. There's massive cross-aisle support for a lot of things (proper healthcare, more support for working families, lower inflation, holding the banks to some kind of standard, reducing corruption, etc.) that we could actually move the needle on if our votes mattered, but because the two parties have us between a rock (whoever we identify as our party) and a hard place (whoever the other guys are) it doesn't really matter who we vote for.

Now, I'm willing to concede that what you're talking about might be a thing, but there's really no way to know until we actually fix what we have and see if that becomes a problem. We've never really tried what we're supposed to have in the modern era.

Frankly, I'd like to see some format of direct democracy rather than representative. Always seemed a little like an obvious grift to me.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by dennis_jeeves2 »

williadc wrote: post #87

John Green, author of "The Fault in Our Stars", "Turtles All the Way Down", "The Anthropocene Reviewed", and other fine books is releasing a book called "Everything is Tuberculosis." If you are interested in the topic or just like to read well-written prose, I recommend joining me in pre-ordering it.

Turtles All the Way Down - second this book.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by lazyasciiart »

hilux wrote: post #295
lazyasciiart wrote: post #241

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Experiments consistently and repeatedly show that when given practical descriptions of policy actions and outcomes, the majority of Americans do not choose the ones that republicans promote. BUT when told that they are Republican policies, then about half of Americans do support those policies.

Well then, liberal politicians aren't doing a very good job, are they? This is like a cliche from the chess world, where the guy who lost the game, then does a postmortem to convince everyone that he was actually winning the whole time. "Except for that one little blunder." The Dems keep losing losing losing, but rather than figure out how to fight better, you instead try to convince yourself that people support you.…

Straight from “you don’t have any evidence!” to “well who even cares that’s not important”.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by mjevans »

HWR_14 wrote: post #88
mjevans wrote: post #19

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"None of the Above" (see Bruster's Millions (Movie)) really needs to be an option...

How would that change anything? If all the people who didn't vote voted "none of the above", Trump still wins.

I could see a majority having voted for None of the Above; which if it won would result in NONE of the candidates winning.

It would also force candidates to address a base rather than trying to just be 'not the other one'.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by mark-r »

lazide wrote: post #404
mark-r wrote: post #398

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They made a big deal of it, our entire elementary school got it at the same time. And they specifically said it was for German Measles, I don't think MMR had been invented yet. This would have been before 1970.

If pre 1970, you almost certainly got the smallpox vaccine too. At that time it was still an active problem and working to be actively eradicated. [ https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/smallpox-vacc... ] As far as I can tell, German measles vaccine doesn’t cause a scar anymore than MMR (it’s a sub component).

I don't know why they would have hidden the fact that smallpox was included, anti-vax wasn't a thing at the time. But I'll admit the possibility.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by hilux »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #413
hilux wrote: post #295

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Well then, liberal politicians aren't doing a very good job, are they? This is like a cliche from the chess world, where the guy who lost the game, then does a postmortem to convince everyone that he was actually winning the whole time. "Except for that one little blunder." The Dems keep losing losing losing, but rather than figure out how to fight better, you instead try to convince yourself that people support you.…

Straight from “you don’t have any evidence!” to “well who even cares that’s not important”.

I have no idea what you're saying.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by foobarchu »

llm_trw wrote: post #147
foobarchu wrote: post #131

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That's because it's an extremely big deal and affects many things discussed here.

It's because people now treat parties like they used to treat football teams.

This goes way past teams bud. If you don't realize the kind of existential threat trump is posing to millions of people, you haven't paid attention to a single thing he's done since taking office.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by lynndotpy »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #242
lynndotpy wrote: post #176

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For sure. What I meant to articulate was that the admin is the only one it makes sense to point to. Saying "the electorate is stupid!" has no utility other than catharsis, though.

What else are you trying to say with “not in a position to clearly anticipate the ramifications”?

I think it's incorrect to say "this is what the plurality wanted". I think very few, if any, Trump voters thought "Trump will be worse for public health and tuberculosis is something I want more of in America."

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Post by SideQuark »

hilux wrote: post #194
SideQuark wrote: post #190

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Around 20% of Americans voted Trump, and from polls most don’t like him, but always vote R. Die hard Trumpers are at best 10% of Americans. Trump didn’t even get 50% of the vote. His views most certainly aren’t what a majority of people want, and he doesn’t try to expand by doing things the majority want. If anything he paints those not completely in his camp, which is the vast majority of Americans, as an enemy.

> His views most certainly aren’t what a majority of people want I'm not sure what you gain by telling yourself that. I could just as easily assert, without any evidence (i.e., like you), that every single person who didn't vote loves Trump and supports all his policies. > If anything he paints those not completely in his camp, which is the vast majority of Americans, as an enemy. That has nothing to do with whether…

If 80% of Americans didn't vote Trump, you're trying to claim they just as likely love him as those who did, even when polling of those voting for him show many dislike him?

Yeah, I'm not the one unable to read evidence.

Polls also repeatedly show people dislike a large amount of his policies.

And it's a fact he didn't even get 50% of voters to vote for him.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by SideQuark »

hilux wrote: post #416
lazyasciiart wrote: post #413

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Straight from “you don’t have any evidence!” to “well who even cares that’s not important”.

I have no idea what you're saying.

I think this is a chatbot. It has no memory for one of its posts to the next. Fascinating.
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