Investors value OpenAI more than $150bn, but it just reported $5bn loss on $3.7bn revenue: the financial pressure is tremendous and that cannot last long.
It's the same kind of situation as with Google vs. Yahoo in the early days, when the clean interface without much ads was a very strong USP.
Google's Results Are Infested, Open AI Is Using Their Playbook from the 2000s
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#412Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have tried the same, and had ChatGPT utterly fail. > me: what's the relatively recent movie with a pig on the movie poster > gpt: The movie you're referring to is likely "Pig," a 2021 American drama film. It stars Nicolas Cage as a truffle hunter who lives alone in the Oregon wilderness. He embarks on a quest to find his beloved foraging pig after she is kidnapped. The film was directed by Michael Sarnoski . > me:…
Inb4 we all tell you you're using it wrong. There are certainly better ways to do this, but this is really the major thing that drives me nuts. No matter how many times I tell some LLM I want it to ask clarifying questions to provide better answers, it just won't. You end up doing exactly this, guessing what information might trigger the right recall.
I've found that there are often different trigger phrases I can use to get an LLM to "change its mind".
For Llama, I can just say "Are you sure?" and it will change its tune (unless it's quite "certain" about the results).
Qwen is more insistent, but will change course if I say "I looked it up and it says you're wrong".
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#413I actually think this might push me towards using ChatGPT more. I just hate having to type, "What version was the iPhone in 2016?" rather than "iphone 2016 version number" lol
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#414OpenAI trains on sources like BusinessInsider which allow sponsored content for a price. This is how they will monetize their products, by intentionally introducing it to bias for a profit motive. It's a good thing they convinced you that its a black box, otherwise you would see this coming.
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#415Don't bet on AI staying clean. A lot of HN readers conceptualize the forces attacking the integrity of the search results as just some isolated people taking occasional potshots, and then maybe slinking away if their trick gets blocked. It is probably a lot more accurate to visualize the SEO industry as a Dark Google. Roughly as well resourced, with many smart people working on it full time, day in, day out, with inf…
It's taken 20 years of a public company having to show quarter on quarter, year on year revenue increases, which has resulted in (Dark) Google squeezing dollars over quality.
I think AI companies have a bit more time to avoid a similar situation.
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#416In addition to the ChatGPT’s search, the advanced voice model also supports web search, making it even easier to search.
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#417Earlier quoted context omitted.
But Google would do just as well (probably better) without the SEOs, no? The SEOs are just manipulating the order of search results to their own interests, but I don't see how this would benefit Google's bottom line.
SEO pages tend to be infested with ads (which google makes money on,) whereas legitimate businesses much less so. Imagine this scenario: you run a B&B on a popular tourist island and take reservations over the web. You pay google to run an ad relevant to your business. Some SEO turkey comes along and builds a ranked-up site that shows that ad, and has no other real reason to exist. Does google make more money or less…
Your last point is the most important: SEO forces businesses to advertise on Google, because it is so hard to appear on organic results. Without black SEO, there would be much less need for ads. It is clear that Google has a symbiotic relationship with black SEO.
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#418> Google is losing trust with all these buzzing results, and its answer is to throw more jam at the wall to see what sticks. But this just attracts more flies.
If you're going to work the metaphor, work the metaphor!
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#419Just sharing an anecdote: I was searching for a quote that I'd heard in an audiobook the other day. I just had the general paraphrase, and didn't feel like scanning through the chapters to go find it. This was a somewhat obscure source. Google had just straight garbage for me. The quote was political in nature, and I felt like the results were fighting general tone-policing filters and were tuned for recent events. o…
I didn't paraphrase, I put the exact quote[1] I had copied earlier from goodreads in google and got garbage. I use only local LLM's, So if anyone has Open AI's search tools give it a shot. [1] "Few hundred years of Western society that we have lost the ability to memorise vast amounts of information." ― Lynne Kelly, Memory Craft: Improve your memory using the most powerful methods from around the world
Open AI fails here:
https://chatgpt.com/share/6770c547-2f90-8004-ba41-21bfa4d3a7...
Curious about your local LLM usage -- do you have that documented, or can you recommend sources on how to get started in that domain? I self host most of my infrastructure, but not LLMs so far. Do you need special hardware? How do you interact with the LLMs? How to you keep them updated? Do you fine tune/do any training, or just of the shelf llama? Do you need to know a bunch about quantization? How fast are the responses? Can you use them in your IDE as a coding assistant? How is resource utilization?
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#420Just sharing an anecdote: I was searching for a quote that I'd heard in an audiobook the other day. I just had the general paraphrase, and didn't feel like scanning through the chapters to go find it. This was a somewhat obscure source. Google had just straight garbage for me. The quote was political in nature, and I felt like the results were fighting general tone-policing filters and were tuned for recent events. o…
We did some Christmas quiz and as asked ChatGPT one of the answers, as the magazine had missed printing some of the answers by accident.
It was to do with a song used as a theme to a sitcom, and it changed the name of the song in the first answer, then it changed the name of the song and the sitcom on the second, and I forget what the third one did. Then I Googled it and got my answer straight away.