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Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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Re: Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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Post by david38 »

jedberg wrote: post #346
RavlaAlvar wrote: post #134

https://www.reddit.com/r/AmazonFC/comments/1hhips1/amazon_te... Interesting to see discussion on Reddit from r/AmazonFC are pretty negative , wonder if these are genuine employees comment for PR team hired by Amazon

It's interesting, because I know a few warehouse workers, and they all sing the praises of the job (all in the Bay Area). But yet I can see what the conditions are. I feel like every warehouse is a semi-independently run fiefdom and some are run a lot better than others.

They sing the praises in the Bay Area? What pay do they get? This is one of the least affordable places in the country

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Post by rectang »

iszomer wrote: post #121
rectang wrote: post #106

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I was talking about buying from online merchants. I’m less familiar with the security implications of chip-and-pin or contactless card for in-person transactions. Do those technologies prevent the merchant from getting raw CC info? Rightly or wrongly, I worry less about the security implementations of hardware point-of-sale terminals than the security implementations of small websites. I mostly prefer Apple Pay for i…

Bank of America automates the process of creating virtual cards for your account when you set up contactless payments such as Google Pay. It is not an anonymous service as the bank still keeps the transaction records and iirc, will occasionally sell or relinquish the data on request to 3rd parties or enforcement agencies.

Apple Pay is set up as a front for my credit card, which is a Visa card I get through my credit union. Whether it's Apple Pay or Google Pay (or PayPal, or others), I think the card provider is always going to have full records — in addition to the payment channel provider. So I should have said "(besides Apple or my card provider)" rather than just "(besides Apple)".

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

SoftTalker wrote: post #271
atomicnumber3 wrote: post #217

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"not punching in my credit card number to random sites" Not sure about OP, but for me it's about convenience. My pet peeve is credit card forms. Do you know what % of websites I've used that have at least minorly broken credit card forms? It's literally 99%. Random common issues that are annoying but can be fixed: - autocomplete doesn't work at all - autocomplete only fills in half the fields - autocomplete only fill…

Sounds like the real problem is autocomplete. Do what I do, disable it. I never have autocomplete issues on websites.

I don’t use autocomplete, but a large number of sites feel the need to reinvent how a credit card form should be displayed. I do not care for your innovation. Put it in the same layout as the physical card. Plus the large number of sites that have broken tabbing (does not work or seemingly jumps to fields at random).

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Post by harvey9 »

crote wrote: post #374
n144q wrote: post #138

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Do you actually care that much about fast delivery? My Prime membership ended 3 years ago. These days I just put items in the cart, and place order whenever it reaches $35. If I need an item in a hurry -- which rarely happens -- I go to a store to buy it. This barely affected me, and I ended up with much fewer impulse purchases. What's funny though is that the "standard" delivery often takes 5 calendar days. But AliE…

I really wish there was a non-rush way to order with a guaranteed delivery moment. Usually I'm not in a huge hurry, and I would happily wait a few days extra if it means workers don't have to pee in a bottle during their night shift. However, a "3-5 days" delivery means there's a pretty decent chance I won't be home and have to go to the other side of town to pick it up - and that's incredibly annoying. So I end up c…

Amazon offered me exactly that during checkout recently: 'no rush delivery', and deducted the price a little as an incentive.

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Post by sterlind »

webdood90 wrote: post #385
sterlind wrote: post #360

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That puts you at odds with the tradition of natural rights. The Declaration of Independence says everyone deserves life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I think it's an intellectually dishonest interpretation of my reply

No, I don't think so. You specifically rejected the idea that everyone inherently deserves anything. Objectivists would agree, but I don't think Ayn Rand would have been popular with Jefferson.

Perhaps you could clarify - what do you mean by "everyone", and what do you mean by "anything?" Does everyone deserve UBI? Do workers deserve disposable income? Do the homeless deserve housing? Healthcare? Food? An attorney, if arrested? Do children deserve college? High school? Primary school? Orphanages?

You can't say that nobody inherently deserves anything, then say I'm intellectually dishonest when I take you at your word.

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Post by nickff »

david38 wrote: post #410
nimbius wrote: post #396

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as a union diesel engine mechanic i can guarantee most, if not all these comments are complete PR. I went on strike about ten years ago to protest mandatory overtime and lack of chemical PPE. the minute we authorized the strike, we had news channels from three states covering us and a billboard up the road that demanded an end to the strike by "concerned" truckers was erected in hours. Every day I could count on at l…

I would love for astroturfing to be illegal and heavily enforced.

Would union supported/enforced comments count as astroturfing as well? I think it’d be interesting to ban pay for picketing & comments, though I’m not sure it’s enforceable.

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Post by neilv »

jimmydddd wrote: post #278
lobsterthief wrote: post #218

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Making me drive 20 mins to Whole Foods to deliver some items, and wait in a line where there’s one kiosk, has completely turned me off of Amazon. This is probably by design, but I don’t return a whole lot.

Mine is 5 minutes away. Two kiosks plus a person is always on site. The most I've ever had to wait for the person is 30 seconds -- all they do is scan the QR code and take the item. So I guess it's YMMV.

Until the person enters something wrong on the screen, and you get emails claiming you will be billed if you don't return the item, and you end up spending a few hours with Kafkaesque customer service, repeatedly, over the course of weeks, interrupting multiple days with time-sucking aggravation.

Unless Mr. Bezos has been putting on a disguise, and secret-shoppering his own company, I have a suspicion he has no idea how much his Leadership Principles have been eroded in the last few years. I don't think metrics will tell you that, when your staff has been conditioned to desperately make their metrics look good. The short-term quantitative metrics will be hit, at least on paper, and everything else will be neglected or outright cannibalized.

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Post by mschuster91 »

nradov wrote: post #392
mschuster91 wrote: post #340

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Yeah, but manufacturing picked up a lot of the slack... until that went down the drain when China came, so Amazon et al picked up the slack, but now there is nothing left.

The US Navy is rebuilding to fight a war with China. There are jobs available in the shipyards, mostly unionized. It's tough work, probably harder and more dangerous than an Amazon warehouse.

That's good for the coastal towns that have shipyards, but useless in the flyover states.

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Post by dfxm12 »

smileysteve wrote: post #220
jvanderbot wrote: post #120

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I used to work at Amazon. What you want to support are: - local retailers offer better jobs, and often better benefits. The work you do stocking at Menards is much better than sorting boxes at Amazon - support local repair vs repurchasing. This cuts down on the upstream demand and does wonders for local small-business economies. And again, provides better jobs than sorting boxes. - Efficiency is great! But what is Am…

To disagree, local "mom and pops" often don't offer better jobs or benefits, or meaning. Historically, in the US, these shops and restaurants often depended on underpaid (often children of the owner) labor, offered no benefits, and had no safety net in case of owner or business failure. On average, today, starting wages at McDonalds, Walmart, or your "local" Amazon warehouse are 25-50% higher than local restaurants a…

Of course a tipped minimum wage is less than a McDonald's non-tipped wage. It's disingenuous to make the comparison. Just as a bus boy at a local restaurant, I took home more money than my friends who worked at major chains.

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Post by rectang »

rectang wrote: post #106
rjh29 wrote: post #90

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Did America go straight from giving full credit card info to Apple Pay? Chip and pin and card contactless both solve that problem

I was talking about buying from online merchants. I’m less familiar with the security implications of chip-and-pin or contactless card for in-person transactions. Do those technologies prevent the merchant from getting raw CC info? Rightly or wrongly, I worry less about the security implementations of hardware point-of-sale terminals than the security implementations of small websites. I mostly prefer Apple Pay for i…

Answering my own question...

> Do those technologies prevent the merchant from getting raw CC info?

They do:

https://www.worldpay.com/en/insights/articles/how-does-a-chi...

> An enabled EMV terminal reads and verifies the card information contained in the embedded chip when inserted into the slot of the payment terminal. Like using the magnetic stripe, card data is then processed for payment authorization; the key difference is that the chip card generates a one-time code for each transaction while a traditional magnetic stripe card does not.

So, the merchant doesn't get the raw CC number; they get a transaction token.

This doesn't prevent someone from reading the CC account number off of the physical card, but unlike swiping a stripe, the act of purchasing via an EMV token means that the CC account number doesn't enter the system.

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