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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by user3939382 »

mattigames wrote: post #283
dqv wrote: post #205

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Right on, it's only a free exchange of ideas if US alphabet agencies can exclusively put their thumb on the scale. The CCP's "influence" here is just letting content exist that would normally be suppressed on other platforms. Which, obviously, the US government doesn't like - do not intersperse the pro-US military content with anticapitalist rhetoric!!!

It's there any sources to support your claim that TikTok is allowing content that is being suppressed in other platforms? I find that hard to believe.

Yes I saw a recording of a congressman literally saying that the reason they were losing influence on the Israel Palestine conflict is because of TikTok.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by tomthe »

epolanski wrote: post #345
wiseowise wrote: post #186

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China soft invades minds of Western people under disguise of “freedom of speech”.

I'm sick of this being repeated over and over until it becomes true. We have had multiple studies at this point and not a single one concluded that there's any kind of particular manipulation on Tik Tok. Not one. They all conclude that the bias is not different from other platforms. HBO run a segment on the ban and goes a bit more in depth: https://youtu.be/5CZNlaeZAtw?si=-4f7Pyww-nazCrSM

I think there are pretty strong traces of pro-china manipulation on Tiktok.

See https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/24/briefing/tiktok-ban-bill-...

Content about something like Hong-Kong protests or the Tiananmen square are suppressed.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by csomar »

vasac wrote: post #357
kelnos wrote: post #244

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"Mistreat" is a bit unnecessarily dramatic. People in the US were fine (possibly even better off) before TikTok, and they'll be just fine if it goes away. China's level of internet control and censorship does seem to rise to the level of mistreatment (in that they control and shape access to information, in ways that further the interests of state propaganda), but denying Chinese companies (and the Chinese government…

How the mighty have fallen. I remember the Arab Spring and all the excitement about media being in people's hands, safe from censorship... So finally, non-Arab people got the same opportunity too. And now, apparently, there's nuance.

The mask has fallen and the emperor is totally naked. This is a grab on Tiktok with national security justifications. Some gangoon politicians have already expressed interest to buy the thing.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by t0bia_s »

gkanai wrote: post #100

Reciprocity is key. Google and Facebook and most Western web services are blocked in China. If that is the case, then there should be no complaint with blocking Bytedance/other Chinese apps in the West.

"...there is now a widespread tendency to argue that one can only defend democracy by totalitarian methods. If one loves democracy, the argument runs, one must crush its enemies by no matter what means. And who are its enemies? It always appears that they are not only those who attack it openly and consciously, but those who ‘objectively’ endanger it by spreading mistaken doctrines. In other words, defending democracy involves destroying all independence of thought."

Geroge Orwell - Proposed preface to Animal Farm, first published in the Times Literary Supplement on 15 September 1972

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel...

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by t0bia_s »

tester756 wrote: post #387
brookst wrote: post #146

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So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.

Censorship... zzzZZZzz They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app

- they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app

Imagine same rhetoric by CCP adressing Facebook or YouTube.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by richrichardsson »

solaris152000 wrote: post #402
wordofx wrote: post #84

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Literally does not matter. ByteDance is a Chinese company and beholden to the CCP.

It's name in English is the Communist Part of China, CPC not CCP.

This shit winds me up no end.

It feels almost like propaganda in itself, to evoke CCCP connotations.

It would be like if I just decided to start unilaterally referring to a "Language to Markup Hyper-Text" (LMHT) instead of its correct name.

tbf though, even the BBC can't get it right : https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg68vyz9lgo

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by Retric »

franczesko wrote: post #406
kelnos wrote: post #250

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Your argument is predicated on the idea that banning TikTok is censorship. It's not. No speech or information is being suppressed; any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms. This isn't like China where the government bans any services they can't control, and directs the services that they can control to suppress any information they don't want people talking about.

"any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms" Tiktok is not banning certain topics, as other platforms do The elephant in the room, is that content on Tiktok is served algorithmicaly, so if majority of population prefer to watch brainwash content, it's due to their choice, not algorithm's

It was intentionally designed to have 15 second clips competing for attention, which is the path to brain rot. The’ve slowly increased video length, which will impact what’s on the platform over time.

Also, Ticktock content is curated to fit CCP’s narrative not simply an algorithmic reflection of what its users care about.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by KoftaBob »

brookst wrote: post #172
mavelikara wrote: post #150

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> You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. Can you explain this better without the assumption that it is self-evident?

Sure. If censorship is wrong, then it is wrong. If censorship is just fine, the n it is just fine. It is the height of hypocrisy to engage in censorship in the name of stamping out censorship. It feels like a tautology because the opposing viewpoint is a very simple hypocrisy. If you don’t like something, don’t do it.

Censorship is the suppression/prohibition of speech. Therefore, removing TikTok from app stores is not censorship, because it's the platform itself that's being targeted, not particular speech that's on it.

Either you knew that already and you're making a bad faith argument, or you don't understand the concept of censorship.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by t0bia_s »

franczesko wrote: post #406
kelnos wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument is predicated on the idea that banning TikTok is censorship. It's not. No speech or information is being suppressed; any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms. This isn't like China where the government bans any services they can't control, and directs the services that they can control to suppress any information they don't want people talking about.

"any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms" Tiktok is not banning certain topics, as other platforms do The elephant in the room, is that content on Tiktok is served algorithmicaly, so if majority of population prefer to watch brainwash content, it's due to their choice, not algorithm's

Of course there is difference between institutionalized censorship and making social bubble by our preferences.

Did you ever saw on TikTok videos about Tiananmen Square, pro-democracy protest before covid or generally videos from handicapped people?

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