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Post by estebarb »

yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

For those scenarios would be helpful a draft generation mode: 16 colors, 320x200...

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Post by vlovich123 »

echelon wrote: post #264
lacoolj wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're going to say something like this, you need to back it up with specific alternatives that provide a better result. Besides just citing your sources, I'm genuinely curious what the best ones are for this so I can see the competition :)

HunYuan released by Tencent [1] is much better than Sora. It's 100% open source, is compatible with fine tuning, ComfyUI, control nets, and is receiving lots of active development. That's not the only open video model, either. Lightricks' LTX, Genmo's Mochi, and Black Forest Labs' upcoming models will all be open source video foundation models. Sora is commoditized like Dall-E at this point. Video will be dominated b…

Something being available OSS is very different from a turnkey product solution, not to mention that Tencent's 60 GiB requirement requires a setup with like at least 3-4 GPUs which is quite rare & fairly expensive vs something time-sharing like Sora where you pay a relatively small amount per video.

I think the important thing is task quality and I haven't seen any evaluations of that yet.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

kranke155 wrote: post #71
MyFirstSass wrote: post #61

Wow this is bad. And by bad i mean worse than leading open source and existing alternatives. Is it me or does it seem like OpenAI revolutionized with both chatGPT and Sora, but they've completely hit the ceiling? Honestly a bit surprised it happened so fast!

Sora was not really that big of a revolution, it was just catching up with competitors. I would even say in gen video they are behind right now.

Sora had some sweet cherry picked initial hype videos. That was more impressive than anything we could do at the time. Now, yea, it's questionable if it's on-par let alone better.

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Post by jedberg »

> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances.

That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)

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Post by amelius »

adregan wrote: post #335

Why keep building AI to do the things that people find fun to do rather than the mundane bullshit? All we’ll be left with is cleaning, folding laundry, and doing the dishes while AI does all the interesting things.

Because we don't have as much data about mundane bullshit.

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Post by computerex »

pen2l wrote: post #80

Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

They should have kept this amazing tech under the wraps because you have a bad feeling about it? Hate to break it to you, but there have been fake videos on the internet ever since it has existed. There are more ways to fake videos than GenAI. If you haven't been consuming everything on the internet with a high alert bs sensor, then that's an issue of its own. You shouldn't trust things on the internet anyway unless there is overwhelming evidence.

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Post by troupo »

hammock wrote: post #202
TeMPOraL wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now expand that to movies and games and you can get why this whole generative-AI bubble is going to pop. What will save it is that, no matter how picky you are as a creator, your audience will never know what exactly was that you dreamed up, so any half-decent approximation will work. In other words, a corollary to your corollary is, "Fortunately, you don't need them to be, because no one cares about low-order bits…

It’s like how there are two types of movie directors (or creative directors in general), the dictatorial “100 takes until I get it exactly how I envision it” type, and the “I hired you to act, so you bring the character to life for me and what will be will be” type Right now AI is more the latter, but many people want it to be the former

AI is neither.

A director letting actors "just be" knows exactly what he/she wants, and choses actors accordingly. Just as the directors that want the most minute detail.

Clint Eastwood tries to do at most one take of a scene. David Fincher is infamous for his dozens of takes.

AI is neither Fincher nor Eastwood.

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Post by [deleted] »

lacoolj wrote: post #235

A little worried how young children watching these videos may develop inaccurate impressions of physics in nature. For instance, that ladybug looks pretty natural, but there's a little glitch in there that an unwitting observer, who's never seen a ladybug move before, may mistake as being normal. And maybe it is! And maybe it isn't? The sailing ship - are those water movements correct? The sinking of the elephant int…

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Post by computerex »

quenix wrote: post #212
pen2l wrote: post #80

Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

It saddens me. Innovations in AI 'art' generation (music, audio, photo) have been a net negative to society and are already actively harming the Internet and our media sphere. Like I said in another comment, LLMs are cool and useful, but who in the hell asked for AI art? It's good enough to fool people and break the fragile trust relationship we had with online content, but is also extremely shit and carries no meani…

How do you know they are a net negative? What's your source?

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Post by superfrank »

lelandfe wrote: post #285
pen2l wrote: post #80

Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

I saw my first AI video that completely fooled commenters: https://imgur.com/a/cbjVKMU This was not marked as AI-generated and commenters were in awe at this fuzzy train, missing the "AIGC" signs. I'm quite nervous for the future.

I know there are people acting like this is obvious that this is AI, but I get why people wouldn't catch it, even if they know that AI is capable of creating a video like this.

A) Most of the give aways are pretty subtle and not what viewers are focused on. Sure, if you look closely the fur blends in with the pavement in some places, but I'm not going to spend 5 minutes investigating every video I see for hints of AI.

B) Even if I did notice something like that, I'm much more likely to write it off as a video filter glitch, a weird video perspective, or just low quality video. For example, when they show the inside of the car, the vertical handrails seem to bend in a weird way as the train moves, but I've seen similar things from real videos with wide angle lenses. Similar thoughts on one of the bystander's faces going blurry.

I think we just have to get people comfortable with the idea that you shouldn't trust a single unknown entity as the source or truth on things because everything can be faked. For insignificant things like this it doesn't matter, but for big things you need multiple independent sources. That's definitely an uphill battle and who knows if we can do it, but that's the only way we're going to get out the other side of this in one piece.

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