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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by r00fus » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 4:57 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #379

NickC25 wrote: post #376

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Bibi, upon being convicted for corruption, tried to reform the Israeli judiciary (which led to mass protests) to cement himself in power right before the attacks last year. Now Israelis kowtow to him and blindly follow his lead. How convenient!

> tried to reform the Israeli judiciary (which led to mass protests) to cement himself in power right before the attacks last year Right. This is politics. Martial law would have meant the judiciary is irrelevant.

You're splitting hairs. Both are attempts to silence opposition by breaking the rules.

FDR was unstoppable except for when he tried to pack the courts.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by tim333 » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 4:57 PM UTC

poszlem wrote: post #178

JohnFen wrote: post #141

Freedom seems to be on the decline everywhere.

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Trump today: "...if the hostages are not released prior to January 20, 2025, the date that I proudly assume Office as President of the United States, there will be ALL HELL TO PAY in the Middle East, and for those in charge who perpetrated these atrocities ..."

Sounds like the policing continues.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by Rapzid » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 4:57 PM UTC

cuuupid wrote: post #4

Can someone ELI5 if this is a huge deal (like declaring martial law would be in the west), or if this is the equivalent of a "government shutdown" when similar budget impasses occur in the US?

This is absolutely bonkers. South Korea is one of the most advanced countries in the world with a strong democratic track record at this point.

They are very proud of the country they built over just a few generations(and really since about 1990); no way they take this sitting down.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by dsego » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 4:58 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #333

dsego wrote: post #16

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Interesting, I don't remember learning or hearing about this one. > While the South Korean government claimed 165 people were killed in the massacre, scholarship on the massacre today estimates 600 to 2,300 victims. Just for the sake of it, compared it to the widely known chinese tiananmen square massacre, albeit this one has widely varying figures on wikipedia: > The Chinese Red Cross had given a figure of 2,600 dea…

> I don't remember learning or hearing about this one Happened with tacit approval of the US, that's probably why - since it was ""anticommunist"".

I guess it's common to assign different motives based on which side did the deed. You know, their crimes are stemming from an innate moral deficiency, our crimes are an exception or the result of external circumstances, not reflective of our core values.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 4:58 PM UTC

r00fus wrote: post #411

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #379

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> tried to reform the Israeli judiciary (which led to mass protests) to cement himself in power right before the attacks last year Right. This is politics. Martial law would have meant the judiciary is irrelevant.

You're splitting hairs. Both are attempts to silence opposition by breaking the rules. FDR was unstoppable except for when he tried to pack the courts.

> You're splitting hairs. Both are attempts to silence opposition by breaking the rules

You're calling the line between civilian rule and martial law a hair?

> FDR was unstoppable except for when he tried to pack the courts

FDR never attempted a coup d'etat.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by bicolao » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 4:59 PM UTC

excalibur wrote: post #402

card_zero wrote: post #330

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They're apparently (according to BBC) inside the building now anyway and waiting for the speaker to arrive and call a vote. Also special forces are there and landed helicopters on the roof, intent unclear. Edit: vote complete, declaration of martial law is voted down. Now what?

Impeachment? Is that a thing there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Park_Geun-hye so yes

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 4:59 PM UTC

anon291 wrote: post #396

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #377

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> It's martial law because your basic freedom of movement within the country was abridged without a trial or legal proceeding or any crime You're describing a suspension of habeus corpus , not martial law. (And even then, not accurately. Curfews have customarily been enacted for short periods of time without being considered a violation of due process.)

> short periods of time 15 days to slow the spread was widely supported. Then it turned into two years (three years?) and people saw right through it.

> it turned into two years (three years?) and people saw right through it

You're still debating the merits of the policy. That's orthogonal to whether it was martial law.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by tim333 » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 4:59 PM UTC

vachina wrote: post #265

poszlem wrote: post #178

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Help me understand why US should be world police.

They have the most power so they tend to get stuck with the job. I sometimes think we could do with more of an official designed for purpose world police.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by skywal_l » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 5:01 PM UTC

JPLeRouzic wrote: post #387

skywal_l wrote: post #284

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De Gaulle was called by the president of the 4th republic to counter the military insurgents. De Gaulle had sufficient charisma and status to calm down the military. When the military woke up again in 62 in Algiers, De Gaulle crushed them. You got it reversed.

> De Gaulle was called by the president of the 4th republic to counter the military insurgents. Massu, who had gained prominence and authority when he ruthlessly suppressed Algerian militants, famously declared that unless de Gaulle was returned to power, the French Army would openly revolt. > When the military woke up again in 62 in Algiers, De Gaulle crushed them. Because then, the coup was directed against him!

It is a well known historical fact that de Gaulle did not liaise with the rebels in Algiers.

Rene Coty himself said he would resigned if the national assembly didn't pick him as a prime minister.

Then the national assembly vote him with a huge majority margin.

And finally, he wins the november election in a landslide.

So if a coup means that you get power by following all the rules and the decorum and win the election, then the term "coup" does not mean anything.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by soraminazuki » Tue, Dec 03, 2024, 5:01 PM UTC

cyberlimerence wrote: post #131

sidewndr46 wrote: post #120

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It sounds like the National Assembly just needs to meet & vote to counter this?

From Yonhap (Korea state news): "Activities related to National Assembly, political parties banned: martial law commander." [1] "Entry, exit from National Assembly blocked after declaration of martial law." [2] [1] https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20241203013900315 [2] https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20241203013200315

Is that even legal? Because if it is, that means the president can prevent martial law from ever being lifted. The whole constitution would be pointless.