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Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by calmbonsai »

arkh wrote: post #407
calmbonsai wrote: post #346

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FWIW, it was the same (even at the enterprise level). We had a commodity (local cloud) computing Dell infra in the mid 2010s and were constantly replacing/returning “simple stuff” (fans, support flanges, memory, NICs). “Dude, you’re gettn’ a Dell” became—-nope, never again.

I feel like there are not good quality hardware company nowadays. Dell: the land of motherboard dying and dog shit trackpads. Asus: dead soldered RAM. Most BIOS: too long to boot, it's fucking 2024 what is your BIOS doing it needs more than 2s to boot? It was taking the same time to boot 30 years ago. Every mouse: double click problem due to wrong use of the actuators. And every hardware company has to try to cram so…

Your trackpad comment brought back a memory of 6 of us in a conference room.

We all had the same OS (NT) to the same patch level, same trackpad config, and same model of Dell laptop and every _single_ trackpad felt different. They weren't strictly "defective", but just wildly disparate physical feels and responsiveness.

I will give shout-outs to: 4th gen Kindles (has physical buttons and lasts forever), first gen iPhone SE, and Microsoft Mobile Mouse 3600.

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Post by Tempest1981 »

What editor supports 7 equal-width columns, as mentioned/shown? I.e. show a single file in many columns?

And how does it look when you press page-down or scroll? Or insert a line on the left? Any lag?

Or is the only solution to clone the file into 7 different views? Seems hard to keep track of.

Edit: ok, I guess Figure 3 is 7 separate files? But without tabs at the top?

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Post by leptons »

zxvkhkxvdvbdxz wrote: post #374
leptons wrote: post #57

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55" is not too big. Maybe it's too big for you , but I've been using three 32" 4k screens in portrait for many years, combined they are essentially about the size of a 55" screen. I love it and anything less kind of sucks. No, virtual desktops are no substitute for having more screen size. I use virtual desktops on my massive screen(s) and I love that too.

Sounds like a recipe for neck pain.

I'll never understand why some people think multi-monitors involves neck pain. It's a complete non-issue.

I have a chair with a headrest, my neck never has to move at all, I can see all parts of the screen just by scanning my eyes. Very rarely does my neck ever move and it's usually to see the 65" Tv a few feet over - and even then my chair has a swivel and if I'm watching the Tv more than the computer, my chair will swivel over, not my neck.

My neck is just fine, thanks.

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Post by splitbrain »

dllu wrote: post #174

Author here, ask me anything! Apart from programming, one of the motivations for getting the 8K display is to look at lidar point clouds. For example the desktop background in my post is a lidar map of Bernal Hill in San Francisco, which I've here downsampled to only 13006 x 7991 px for your convenience [1]. Admittedly, when I bought it at first, I didn't realize there would be so many random issues, as manufacturers…

pet peeve: your blog has no RSS feed

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Post by Tepix »

pama wrote: post #382
Tepix wrote: post #368

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I can't believe you're not mentioning the super high power draw of 8k monitors. It's so bad that i'm not even considering getting one.

The power is not so bad, especially compared to the graphics cards you would want to use (and I use my GPU as a tow warmer). Samsung 8k specifically comes with low power presets which are probably usable in this scenario. Of course with so many more pixels in 8k than in 4k there is need for more power but the EU regulation allows selling them if they also support an eco mode. I am old enough to recall 100W as the typ…

The eco mode is not usable, it's the manufacturer's way around a ban of 8k monitors. These monitors use at least twice what other monitors of the same size use, sometimes it's four times as much. And these measurements are probably in eco mode, so it could be worse.

> I am old enough to recall 100W as the typical single light bulb and I still use an electric tea kettle that touches the multi kW range daily.

Not sure why you mention this here? Just because we had horribly inefficient light bulbs our monitors can use twice as much?

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Post by pistoleer »

bluGill wrote: post #202
diggan wrote: post #59

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> Also, I want to suggest people to learn about virtual desktops rather than wasting money on bizarrely huge screens or multi monitor setups. If I want to have multiple things open and be able to glance at them at once, how would virtual desktops help with that?

If you have it setup right you can flip to the other desktop quick, see what you want and flip fast. I haven't seen a good virtual desktop implementation since around 1998 though, and have given up.

What makes for a good or bad virtual desktop implementation?

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Post by emsign »

Be aware that TVs make screenshots every few milliseconds and send them away for advertising analytics. I wouldn't use them as a monitor while connecting them to the internet.

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Post by vladvasiliu »

bonestamp2 wrote: post #393
kev009 wrote: post #273

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I had the Dell 8k monitor you mentioned, the picture quality was great but it died after a few years not long after the warranty expired (a gut punch at the purchase price) and they said too bad so sad... ok that's fine but I will never buy another Dell product again. It was released too early to have proper displayport support and I had to use a custom nvidia-driver X11 config to make it mostly work as two monitors.…

You may want to look at the Samsung 5K monitor. It can often be had for $700. The sharpness of text is beautiful, especially if you're using a mac since it's optimized at 218ppi to avoid scaling. But, it might be smaller than you want. Apple also makes one that is nearly identical, except for the price. PS - I have seen Dell go downhill as well. I returned the last Dell laptop I bought. My wife was sitting next to me…

> You may want to look at the Samsung 5K monitor.

Which Samsung are you talking about? We got some new screens at work, Samsung S9 something or other. 27", 5K, thunderbolt 4. As you say, the text is very sharp, and colors seem fine enough. But that's about it, and I would not recommend them at all.

The worst issue is that the viewing angles are ridiculously bad. I'm sitting at arm's length, and the borders are very dark and somewhat blurry. They're of course OK if I move and look at them straight on, but my 32", fairly old LG doesn't have this problem.

Another pain point is the fact that it cuts off the power supply and the USB peripherals plugged in when it goes to sleep. I couldn't figure any way of disabling this behavior. But if you leave your PC running and expecting to connect to it over a USB network adaptor or similar, you're gonna have a bad time.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

wongogue wrote: post #409
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #259

Good show. The one issue that I have with using TVs as "monitors," is that they are too damn "smart." They play with the images, and it can be a devil to find all the settings, to turn them off. On my Samsung, there's a couple of things that I can't turn off.

Is there a Game mode? That would turn off almost everything.

That’s a good point.
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