Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

Post by loceng » Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 11:19 PM UTC

chucke1992 wrote: post #23

vessenes wrote: post #19

Not clear right now if France thinks he was actively complicit with the four horsemen listed, or if just the act of running Telegram makes him complicit in their eyes, or something in the middle, e.g. they asked for help and Telegram turned them down. This will be an interesting case to watch -- I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort -- but generally my un…

> I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort But that's what exactly they want no? EU is literally implementing a regulation that will allow to "circumvent end-to-end encryption to address child sexual abuse material". I believe it failed to pass recently, but they will try again - and nothing stops countries to implement it independently. I think France is th…

Post by stiltzkin » Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 11:20 PM UTC

Glacia wrote: post #4

greatgib wrote: post #2

I did not see the info anywhere else, but it was just broadcasted by the main French tv channel. Pavel Durov, the Telegram founder was just arrested out of his airplane in the Bourget airport in France near Paris. There is no info about why exactly he was arrested but it looks like that French police had a warrant for him. But it looks like it is because that he is accused of being an accessory of a lot of things lik…

>I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government?

Post by loceng » Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 11:21 PM UTC

abcd_f wrote: post #123

artembugara wrote: post #26

According to this source he’s accused in non-cooperating. He’s not accused of terrorism, drug, or slaving directly. Very interesting to see where it will all go. I don’t understand how they’re going to convince French judges that he’s guilty for not being able to decrypt chats that he has no keys for…

> According to this source he’s accused in non-cooperating. With the context that you omitted it makes more sense: Justice considers that the absence of moderation, cooperation with law enforcement and the tools offered by Telegram (disposable numbers, cryptocurrencies...) makes it an accomplice to drug trafficking, pedo-criminal offenses and swindling.

Post by Brybry » Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 11:21 PM UTC

tw04 wrote: post #336

nine_k wrote: post #103

The detainment order was outstanding for some time, and Durov certainly knew that. Still he plainly landed in France and was detained. Why? My pet tinfoil-hat theory is that he decided that staying in a French prison is safer for him than being out in the open and get some polonium, or whatnot.

>and get some polonium Why would he get some polonium? There are endless official Russian state telegram channels. Putin clearly has no issue with it or he would have banned it.

Post by gck1 » Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 11:23 PM UTC

hintymad wrote: post #295

gck1 wrote: post #258

Funny story - there were some protests in my country some months ago. We're a semi-autocratic country on the verge of becoming a dictatorship. During the protests, the government used masked 'civilians,' or what you'd call 'titushkis,' to beat up activists at their home addresses or elsewhere in public. We were also getting calls from fake numbers on our personal numbers with threats. A channel was created on Telegra…

Wouldn't in this case the culprit is that Georgia didn't have rule of law? Yes, Telegram didn't help and ignored your plea, but prosecuting the owner for the presumed malice? I'm not sure how that will go well in the long run.