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Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by bberenberg »

conductr wrote: post #225
screye wrote: post #53

A counter point on premium VR headsets. They are teleportation devices. I've used every popular VR device, but one Vision Pro experience stood out - 'The Haleakala environment'[1] It was literally like being transported there. I know because I had been in that exact spot a few years before. I have a rich visual memory which served as reference, and no exaggeration, it felt like was there. I was immediately in tears.…

I want to believe you but until the price range becomes below $1000 or so there’s virtually no market. It’s a toy. People don’t need a teleportation device. It’s fun to play with, like a toy. It doesn’t really solve enough of a “real” problem to justify the current cost. It’s also too expensive to be given as a holiday or birthday gift by most family members. I believe the “just give it a few years thing” but only if…

If Apple could make the UX of the physical device a bit better and had a larger library of places to explore I would absolutely give it to my grandma. She’s mostly stuck in a her flat alone all day. Walking is hard. She FaceTimes and calls people, but going to see beauty is mostly something she doesn’t get to experience anymore. If she could watch a sunrise in Hawaii instead of worrying about political news I think her day to day would be much better and I would be happy to spend the money to give her that QoL improvement.

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Post by bratwurst3000 »

andruby wrote: post #387
kvmet wrote: post #375

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I think porn prefers open tooling so that it is less likely to be banned. Going inside Apple's walled garden is probably more risky in that regard and also there's only a small consumer base. There are plenty of VR apps in this category available for PC-connected headsets. You can find tons of them on Steam or Patreon.

Small consumer base for porn or for the current $3000 apple headset? The immersion is really good. Apple would never allow it in their ecosystem, but OnlyFans + immersive VR could sell very well.

yeah i think apples no porn policy is ruining their vr headset and the future of vr ;). not that i am into vr porn. i only think the market for that should be huge

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by DonHopkins »

Espressosaurus wrote: post #304
Animats wrote: post #227

As Carmack (the game guy, head of Oculus, etc.) says, until the headgear gets down to swim goggle size, it's not going to get any traction, and until it gets down to eyeglass size, it's not going mainstream. The Apple Vision Pro was an unexpected dud. Something more eyeglass sized, with phone-like functionality and good design, would have been more in line with Apple's aesthetic. Instead, it was another half brick on…

You say it was unexpected, I say it was entirely expected given the form factor (comfort), battery life (awful), and lack of a killer app to drive adoption (if anyone knew what that was, Meta and Microsoft would be all over it already). But Apple has tons of money, so they can learn from the devices in market now and decide how best to target Gen 2. Microsoft seems to be exiting AR other than the military contract. M…

Hey, I though Magic Leap had it all figured out! Are you telling me those guys are totally full of shit??! SHOCKED I say SHOCKED!

The synthesis of imagination: Rony Abovitz and Magic Leap at TEDxSarasota

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8J5BWL8oJY

Hold my beer...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28838421

>Are you referring to the sex discrimination lawsuit and nepotistic sexist bro culture that tarnished Magic Leap's reputation? [...]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28838500

>Or are you referring to the ridiculous 12/12/2012 TEDX "talk" that Rony Abovitz performed at the Ringling College of Art, and all the FAKE and DECEPTIVE videos they posted and lied about on youtube, that tarnished Magic Leap's reputation? [...]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28850230

>That didn't stop them from making fraudulent concept video demos that they falsely claimed to be actual existing games that they were already playing around the office, and that they promised much much more than they could actually deliver.

>So if you can't reproduce the experience on a 2D screen, then fake it and lie, you're saying? That IS the whole point.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28838443

>Or are you referring to the way Magic Leap picked up and ripped off so many other people's original designs and IP in their patent applications without giving the actual inventors credit, that tarnished Magic Leap's reputation? [...]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28838737

>The point is that the name Magic Leap IS extremely and deeply tarnished, in so many ways, and Magic Leap pretending it's not just makes them look more laughably delusional than they already are (which is extremely), just like Trump still believing that he won the election. [...]

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Post by bratwurst3000 »

anvuong wrote: post #395
bratwurst3000 wrote: post #334

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how didnt porn run this over? honestly porn did advances the internet because it, and gaming, was THE usecase for most people. youtube etc wasnt there at the time it was porn and games. And porn and games should be the reason why VR shall sell

TBH I feel like if I am into VR porn then I am definitely addicted and I'd need help from professional. Usually porn is like a quick dopamine hit, or a quick release for a biological need. For VR, you'd beed to be really really into porn, to spend all the setup time AND then still be in the mood ...

yes true. but isnt using addicted people for the own benefit the whole premise of most social media and alike. apple is maybe not into social media but I cant imagine zuckerberg not wetting his pants from joy if he thinks about million more people crippled to his attention gathering devices.

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Post by pfannkuchen »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #374
bratwurst3000 wrote: post #334

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how didnt porn run this over? honestly porn did advances the internet because it, and gaming, was THE usecase for most people. youtube etc wasnt there at the time it was porn and games. And porn and games should be the reason why VR shall sell

when porn advanced the internet did it cost 2000 dollars to get entry to the porn? I don't remember that. I think when this advancing happened it was pretty cheap, in some ways cheaper than buying a bunch of magazines. Porn advanced the internet because it was a cheaper delivery mechanism for a cheap commodity, games expanded the internet because it was a technologically innovative platform for high end products.

Inflation calculator says Vision Pro price today is $1730 in 1995 dollars.

That is in the range of what a pc cost back then, I think? Like middle to high end but not out of the ballpark.

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Post by jrm4 »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #214
jrm4 wrote: post #205

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Makes sense: But do you need to BUY one? This is the thing I realized with VR sets, personally. They are a great day at the fair, but who goes to the fair EVERYDAY?

An addict, that's who. And this is exactly what this technology will eventually enable - seeing the world through an influencer's eyes while sitting on a ratty couch in a dilapidated apartment. William Gibson painted this picture beautifully in Count Zero.

I suppose (and Gibson is great), but I've always felt that this sort of addiction doesn't require VR? Like, to whatever extent people are going to do this, it's ALREADY HERE.

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Post by bratwurst3000 »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #374
bratwurst3000 wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how didnt porn run this over? honestly porn did advances the internet because it, and gaming, was THE usecase for most people. youtube etc wasnt there at the time it was porn and games. And porn and games should be the reason why VR shall sell

when porn advanced the internet did it cost 2000 dollars to get entry to the porn? I don't remember that. I think when this advancing happened it was pretty cheap, in some ways cheaper than buying a bunch of magazines. Porn advanced the internet because it was a cheaper delivery mechanism for a cheap commodity, games expanded the internet because it was a technologically innovative platform for high end products.

PCs costs much around year 2000. and porn and email and messenger where the bonus to games. its was like “hey look counter strikes etc .. nice games” “hmm not sure” “ there is also porn” “bought”

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Post by passion__desire »

bberenberg wrote: post #411
conductr wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to believe you but until the price range becomes below $1000 or so there’s virtually no market. It’s a toy. People don’t need a teleportation device. It’s fun to play with, like a toy. It doesn’t really solve enough of a “real” problem to justify the current cost. It’s also too expensive to be given as a holiday or birthday gift by most family members. I believe the “just give it a few years thing” but only if…

If Apple could make the UX of the physical device a bit better and had a larger library of places to explore I would absolutely give it to my grandma. She’s mostly stuck in a her flat alone all day. Walking is hard. She FaceTimes and calls people, but going to see beauty is mostly something she doesn’t get to experience anymore. If she could watch a sunrise in Hawaii instead of worrying about political news I think h…

GoPro Fusion devices to record walking videos and serve in Vision Pro would be amazing for location bound people

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Post by jncfhnb »

screye wrote: post #53

A counter point on premium VR headsets. They are teleportation devices. I've used every popular VR device, but one Vision Pro experience stood out - 'The Haleakala environment'[1] It was literally like being transported there. I know because I had been in that exact spot a few years before. I have a rich visual memory which served as reference, and no exaggeration, it felt like was there. I was immediately in tears.…

I’ve “teleported” to several places including Mars. Imo it was just about the same experience as looking at some big pictures at a museum.

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Post by ingenieros »

wrsh07 wrote: post #377
ingenieros wrote: post #338

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This so called “sweet spot” comes at the cost of billions of dollars in operating losses and layoffs at Reality Labs year after year. The worst part is that Meta is merely licensing the Ray-Ban form factor and this also comes at a hefty price tag. Specially if other companies such as Google enter a bidding war to snatch that exclusivity away from them. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/07/31/metas-reality-labs-posts... h…

> This so called “sweet spot” comes at the cost of billions of dollars in operating losses and layoffs at Reality Labs year after year Yes, it has cost them billions of dollars (ongoing) to develop their AR/VR tech. You can definitely criticize that, but this spending is defensive. If Facebook (Meta) doesn't own at least some market share in a future device, that is an existential threat to them. How much did ATT cos…

Point taken! I would only add that Ray-Bans have become somewhat of a timeless fashion icon and this isn't something that you can easily replicate no matter how much R&D money you have at your disposal. (Just look at how goofy Snap's Spectacles are in comparison)
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