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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by jesseendahl »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #315
bandyaboot wrote: post #303

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I’m curious to know what you’re thinking as far as what bad outcome(s) will or may result from people choosing this over some other password manager.

It's putting password management into the same basket as the device. Suppose your Apple ID gets compromised. The attacker is a jerk and decides to remote erase your device. Then they use your account for black hat stuff and get it permanently banned, or just erase everything on iCloud too. If the password manager was a different service then you'd still have the password for that service and could get in and recover…

I think you might be making some assumptions about how this stuff works without looking into it.

- A lot (most?) people’s Apple Account name is actually their main email address (e.g. Gmail), so they would still control their email address even if their Apple Account was compromised.

- You can still recover your Apple Account and iCloud Keychain without any devices (e.g. if phone broke like in your scenario).

- Your passkeys stored in iCloud Keychain are still protected even if your Apple Account has been compromised.

Source: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102195

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by [deleted] »

mrweasel wrote: post #382
chx wrote: post #293

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You'd try Bitwarden...

I love the idea, pricing and open source nature of Bitwarden, but it's only good if you haven't used 1Password. Personally I was very critical about 1Passwords migration to Electron, but it has been really good to be honest. My assumption was that they had dropped the Electron plans, because I absolutely did not notice the change. Bitwarden still fails to correctly identify basic username/password fields, but 1Passwo…

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by MissTake »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #406
basisword wrote: post #218

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>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

Luckily, _most_ people don't buy overpriced and closed Apple devices.

In the desktop world people tend to buy cheaper, yet equally as closed Windows machines.

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Post by ciroduran »

pmontra wrote: post #389
hankman86 wrote: post #374

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What is the adoption for passkeys? I do not get the impression that they will replace passwords or “social” logins anytime soon.

I have yet to notice a site asking me a passkey.

Funny enough, you can use a passkey to log in with Nintendo

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Post by tsimionescu »

MissTake wrote: post #414
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #406

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Luckily, _most_ people don't buy overpriced and closed Apple devices.

In the desktop world people tend to buy cheaper, yet equally as closed Windows machines.

In what ways are desktop Windows boxes as closed as Apple? I would say there are many many things to fault Microsoft for, but closing down the OS has never been one of them (though that is gradually changing outside the EU, to be fair).

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Post by vintagedave »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #206
rickharrison wrote: post #155

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1password has progressively gotten worse every year for the past 5-10. 1password team if you are reading this, please stop making your software worse. Search which was great for years is now terrible and has jumbled results. Some software should just be considered "done" and never changed again. 1Password is one of those things.

I don’t really understand this kind of comments that complain without any specifics. Worse how? I use two family subscriptions and a corporate one for many years and haven’t noticed any regression in functionality or UX. They release time to time minor quality of life improvements and continue supporting modern platforms. 1P7 to 1P8 upgrade went without any problems on all platforms I use. IMO this is the best passwo…

I can give specifics.

* Their syncing broke, and their support promised that buying a subscription would make it work. I did. It didn't. A year later I managed to get it fixed. I'm now on a permanent subscription for something I used to own -- that's not bad by itself, but the feeling I've been taken advantage of, and promised something that was false, leaves a bad taste.

* Syncing sometimes doesn't work anyway. I might add an account on my laptop and not be able to access it on my phone for a day or more.

* It's much buggier. Sometimes the Mac app just doesn't appear when you click the menu bar icon (this happened to me just a minute ago.) You have to right-click and select Open 1Password to get the full app, after which the menu bar app will now work. Sometimes. Right now, it's not no matter what I do. Why? No idea, it's random.

* Basic password features seem missing. There is _still_ no way to edit in a 'Remember me' checkbox on a login form. I would like 1P to set that checkbox.

* The UX design gets worse each release. In 1Password 8 they removed the useful menu in the Mac menu bar. I can't check what it is now because of the bug above, but it used to show a list of passwords. Now it has some kind of pseudo-intelligent other menu that has to be invoked via a shortcut and the Mac menu bar app actually does almost nothing useful.

* Not to mention their UX design which comes from the "hide buttons until you mouse over and click a button you didn't realise was there" school of intuitiveness.

* More UX: the iOS app now has a list of favorites, but it's almost impossible to get the info you want. Take a bank card: you can tap it in the list to show the name, card number, etc, but if you want the ATM pin -- which is the number I most forget, and the useful one because my card number is saved everywhere that uses it -- you have to dig into the item itself. How? Via a tiny, tiny untappable arrow.

Worst is that interactions with them show an attitude that they think they're building a better and better app each release. They're not. I cannot wait until I can move away to the new Passwords app.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by pasc1878 »

e40 wrote: post #228
rickharrison wrote: post #155

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1password has progressively gotten worse every year for the past 5-10. 1password team if you are reading this, please stop making your software worse. Search which was great for years is now terrible and has jumbled results. Some software should just be considered "done" and never changed again. 1Password is one of those things.

I completely disagree. Yeah, the launch of 1PW8 was rocky. They didn't have feature parity on some devices (iOS). I waited a good while to update and when I did I had an issue with my Yubikey, so I went back to 1PW7 on iOS, but it was fantastic on macOS--way better than 7. After a short while, they fixed the Yubikey login issue with 8 on iOS and I have had exactly zero issues on macOS or iOS since, for about a year(i…

1password 8 on iOS is fine and I note no issues with it, it just works.

On macOS 1pw 7 worked with no issues, 1pw 8 doesn't

However the big issue is that 1pw8 requires you to use their cloud - so if someone takes over the company and changes things or the company goes bust or even if the company's servers get hit by DDOS you lose all things. 1pw7 allowed you to keep the main db on anything and use multiple sync mechanism. For example you could keep the data all on machines you own, you could be a business and that would matter for security. Yes cloud etc is secure but there are cases where you don't want things to be anywhere not on your machines.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by kylemart »

egypturnash wrote: post #56

So… this new app does most of what the depreciated “Keychain” app did, except now it’s got a iOS-looking UI. Huzzah, I guess, the “passwords” section in the iOS-restyled system prefs sure wasn’t substituting for Keychain for me. Passwords doesn’t appear to handle secure notes, though, and I still have a few of those, too. I still really hate the iOS-restyled system prefs. Tiny unresizable text, a long vertical scroll…

At least now you’ll be able to prompt Siri to figure out where your settings are /s

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Post by esskay »

tsimionescu wrote: post #416
MissTake wrote: post #414

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In the desktop world people tend to buy cheaper, yet equally as closed Windows machines.

In what ways are desktop Windows boxes as closed as Apple? I would say there are many many things to fault Microsoft for, but closing down the OS has never been one of them (though that is gradually changing outside the EU, to be fair).

Counter point - in what ways is macOS 'closed' and Windows not? And I am specifically talking about macOS, not iOS.
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