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Post by simonjgreen »

arcticbull wrote: post #354
salamo wrote: post #353

The first thing I will do when I get access to this is ask it to generate a realistic chess board. I have never gotten a decent looking chessboard with any image generator that doesn't have deformed pieces, the correct number of squares, squares properly in a checkerboard pattern, pieces placed in the correct position, board oriented properly (white on the right!) and not an otherwise illegal position. It seems to be…

Similarly the Veo example of the northern lights is a really interesting one. That's not what the northern lights look like to the naked eye - they're actually pretty grey. The really bright greens and even the reds really only come out when you take a photo of them with a camera. Of course the model couldn't know that because, well, it only gets trained on photos. Gets really existential - simulacra energy - maybe a…

To be fair, the prompt isn’t asking for a realistic interpretation it’s asking for a timelapse. What it’s generated is absolutely what most timelapses look like.

> Prompt: Timelapse of the northern lights dancing across the Arctic sky, stars twinkling, snow-covered landscape

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Post by Ferret7446 »

shermantanktop wrote: post #367
sdenton4 wrote: post #359

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That doesn't seem in any way useful, though... To use a very blunt analogy, are color blind people intelligent/sentient/whatever? Obviously, yes: differences in perceptual apparatus aren't useful indicators of intelligence.

As a colorblind person…I could see the northern lights way better than all the full-color-vision people around me squinting at their phones. Wider bandwidth isn’t always better.

> I could see the northern lights way better than all the full-color-vision people around me

How would you know?

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Post by riffraff »

mirekrusin wrote: post #383
mrcwinn wrote: post #373

OpenAI has the model advantage. Google and Apple have the ecosystem advantage. Apple in particular has the deeper stack integration advantage. Both Apple and Google have a somewhat poor software innovation reputation. How does it all net out? I suspect ecosystem play wins in this case because they can personalize more deeply.

Not mentioning Meta, the good guy now, is scandalous. X is not going to sit quietly as well. There is also the rest of us.

X is tiny compared to Apple/Meta/Google, both in engineering size and in "fingerprint" in people's life.

Also engineering wise, currently every tweet is followed by a reply "my nudes in profile" and X seems unable to detect it as trivial spam, I doubt they have the chops to compete in this arena, especially after the mass layoffs they experienced.

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Post by stkhlm »

exodust wrote: post #408
porphyra wrote: post #398

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Human eyes are basically black and white in low light since rod cells can't detect color. But when the northern lights are bright enough you can definitely see the colors. The fact that some things are too dark to be seen by humans but can be captured accurately with cameras doesn't mean that the camera, or the AI, is "making things up" or whatever. Finally, nobody wants to see a video or a photo of a dark, gray, and…

> nobody wants to see a video or a photo of a dark, gray, and barely visible aurora Except those who want to see an accurate representation of what it looks like to the naked eye.

Living in northern Sweden I see the northern lights multiple times a year. I have never seen them pale or otherwise not colorful. Green and reds always. That is to my naked eye. Photographs do look more saturated, but the difference isn't as large as this comment thread make it out to be.

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Post by MarcScott »

psbp wrote: post #226
mattgreenrocks wrote: post #60

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This is very noticeable. Watching movies from the 1970s is positively serene for me, vs the shot time on modern films often leaves me wonder, "wait, what just happened there?" And I'm someone who is fine playing fast action video games. Can't imagine what it's like if you're older or have sensory processing issues.

My brain processes too slow for modern action movies. I can tell what's going on, but I always end up feeling agitated.

I'm okay with watching the majority of action movies, but I distinctly remember watching this fight scene in a Bourne movie and not having a clue what was going on. The constant camera changes, short shot length, and shaky cam, just confused the hell out of me.

https://youtu.be/uLt7lXDCHQ0?si=JnVMjmu0WgN5Jr5e&t=70

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Post by sshnuke »

brikym wrote: post #279
piloto_ciego wrote: post #222

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I think it’s fear. Maybe not openly, but people are spooked at how fast stuff is happening, so shitting on progress is a natural reaction.

Progress? There are loads of downsides the AI fans won't acknowledge. It diminishes human value/creativity and will be owned and controlled by the wealthiest people. It's not like the horse being replaced by the tractor. This time it's different there is no place to move to but doing nothing on a UBI (best case). That same power also opens the door to dystopian levels of censorship and surveillance. I see more of the…

> It diminishes human value/creativity and will be owned and controlled by the wealthiest people

"When you go to an art gallery, you are simply a tourist looking at the trophy cabinet of a few millionaires" - Banksy

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Post by hanspeter »

latexr wrote: post #176
popcar2 wrote: post #46

Not nearly as impressive as Sora. Sora was impressive because the clips were long and had lots of rapid movement since video models tend to fall apart when the movement isn't easy to predict. By comparison, the shots here are only a few seconds long and almost all look like slow motion or slow panning shots cherrypicked because they don't have that much movement. Compare that to Sora's videos of people walking in rea…

> Not nearly as impressive as Sora. Sora was impressive because the clips were long and had lots of rapid movement The most impressive Sora demo was heavily edited. https://www.fxguide.com/fxfeatured/actually-using-sora/

I believe it was clear that Air Head was an edited video.

The intention wasn't to show "This is what Sora can generate from start to end" but rather "This is what a video production team can do with Sora instead of shooting their own raw footage."

Maybe not so obvious to others, but for me it was clear from how the other demo videos looked.

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Post by damsalor »

frankacter wrote: post #378
lowkey wrote: post #374

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Google has a deep addiction to AdWords revenue which makes for a significant disadvantage. Nomatter how good their technology, they will struggle internally with deploying it at scale because that would risk their cash cow. Innovator’s dilemma.

Google Cloud and cloud services generated almost 9.57 billion. That's up 28% from prior: https://www.crn.com/news/networking/2024/google-cloud-posts-... They are embedding their models not only widely across their platforms suite of internal products and devices, but also computationally via API for 3rd party development. Those are all free from any perceived golden handcuffs that AdWords would impose.

Yea, well. I still think there is a conflict of interest if you sell propaganda

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

Jonanin wrote: post #368
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #125

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Comparing two children is a good one. My girlfriend has taken to pointing out when I’m engaging in “punditry”. They're an engineer like I am and we talk about tech all the time, but sometimes I talk about which company is beating which company like it’s a football game, and they call me out for it. Video models are interesting, and to some extent trying to imagine which company is gonna eat the other’s lunch is kind…

Except that many of the people involved do think of it like a football game, and thus it actually is like one. Of course the researchers and engineers at both OpenAI and Google DeepMind have a sense of rivalry and strive to one up another. They definitely feel like they are in a competition.

> They definitely feel like they are in a competition.

Citation needed?

Although I did not work in AI, I did work at Google X robotics on a robot they often use for AI research.

Maybe some people felt like it was a competition, but I don’t have much reason to believe that feeling is common. AI researchers are literally in collaboration with other people in the field, publishing papers and reading the work of others to learn and build upon it.

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Post by damsalor »

rjh29 wrote: post #385
Octokiddie wrote: post #377

Oddly enough, I predict the final destination for this train will be for moving images to fade into the background. Everything will have a dazzling sameness to it. It's not unlike the weird place that action movies and pop music have arrived. What would have been considered unbelievable a short time ago has become bland. It's probably more than just novelty that's driving the comeback of vinyl.

Even this site just did not impress me. I feel like it's all stuff I could easily imagine myself. True creativity is someone with a unique mind creating something you would never had thought of.

Get a life
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