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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by mattikl »

pxc wrote: post #303

I expect it'll never happen to me. My dad was still actively seeking out new music when I was a kid, streaming college radio via the Internet before Pandora, Last.fm, or Spotify were things. He's in his 60s today and he still listens to new music (in a range of genres) all the time. If novelty in music is actually important to you, this won't happen to you.

On average, music is big for people during the teenage years, then other things in life take over and that same music continues the biggest music for them.

This is very different if music is a lifelong hobby for you. I'm in my forties and some of the artists I most listen to today I discovered during recent years. Still I find articles like this interesting because I can learn something about a larger demographic while being different myself.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by 082349872349872 »

drones wrote: post #346

Most people stop making an effort to expand their taste in art at a young age because it's not useful for them. People can afford to have narrow tastes and still enjoy music. If parents made being exposed to different types of music as important to one's growth as being exposed to different types of vegetables, I doubt we would have this cultural phenomenon. Theoretically, I should have given up trying to find new mu…

> as being exposed to different types of vegetables

I am told there was a time in ireland when every restaurant, no matter what the cuisine, offered a "meat and two veg" plate for the grandparents; somehow I doubt there was much variety in those vegetables.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by coldtea »

dublinben wrote: post #187
reducesuffering wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I missed this in the article but I agree this is a major consideration. I find a lot of people might like "new" music but it's very much a slight riff on stuff they liked a long time ago. As a 30yo, good luck introducing anyone in the 25+ category to new albums that actually experiment into novel sounds and become the music of the current 20yo generation. It's a little sad too because the internet unlocked so m…

>good luck introducing anyone in the 25+ category to new albums that actually experiment into novel sounds and become the music of the current 20yo generation Both here and in the article there's a conflation of "new music" with "contemporary mainstream popular" which seems invalid. Is the Billboard Hot 100 any more or less innovative in 2024 than it was in 2004, or 1974? I think that most "mainstream" music is preci…

>Is the Billboard Hot 100 any more or less innovative in 2024 than it was in 2004, or 1974?

Yes, amazingly less so. Less innovative and less diverse music styles.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by dudefeliciano »

r1b wrote: post #175

Outlier here (musician, spend hours per week trying to find new music) - some thoughts: - The search space for music is really large and noisy. Most of the stuff out there isn’t very good, and the stuff that is good isn’t always discoverable with a single strategy - The best strategies almost always exploit human connections Some strategies I use: - Spatial locality, who is performing with or near artists that I like…

> there is a freeform radio station near me

do you have any suggestions for similar online radio stations or playlists?

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by vidarh »

eloisius wrote: post #396
cesaref wrote: post #389

The useful metric with these sorts of things is to ask yourself, when was the last time you tried something that you didn't like? For expensive experiences, say, going to the theatre, it's hard to see shows you don't think you are going to like, as the price pressure makes you choose 'safe bets' as the cost/reward is somewhat weighted in one direction. For something like music, the above used to be the case, as typic…

> We really need music search which follows more interesting routes through content rather than just 'people who like this also like' or 'here's another album by someone you already listen to'. I agree with this so much. We've had about a decade of this kind of robo-curation in every single aspect of our media consumption. Read books like the ones you like, listen to bands like the ones you listen to, more videos lik…

I'd skip less if I could trust that the algorithmic playlists followed "reasonable" paths. But all to often the transitions are really jarring.

(Also, big pet peeve: they need to take into account time of day and factors like weather to do well, as well as habit; I will not respond the same way to a track on a rainy grey winter evening as on a sunny summers day)

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by 082349872349872 »

mellosouls wrote: post #332

The conclusions of this study - that musical open-mindedness drops off in the late twenties - is consistent with the fact that (pop) music creators also peak in their twenties, with a rapid decline into creative insignificance afterwards. There's a lot of comforting analysis here on social and cultural development reasons why that might be, but the likely ugly truth is the same faced by creatives in some other areas…

> (pop) music creators also peak in their twenties, with a rapid decline into creative insignificance afterwards.

Die Toten Hosen and Leningrad would like to have a word.

If you're reliant on the machine, then of course you'll suffer "creative insignificance" once the machine ceases to have a use for you.

compare "New Kid in Town" (1976)

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

lapcat wrote: post #168

I find it interesting that GenZ and Millennials show a much smaller preference for their own decade's music. https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_pr... The 1980s are still doing quite well among all but the oldest generation. Is it possible that music may actually be getting worse? Corporatized, consolidated, computerized. Look at Hollywood now too: everything is a sequel, prequel, remake, reboot…

Music is certainly getting worse.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by goosejuice »

coldtea wrote: post #174
gwill wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think defining what "new" means would help clarity this. perhaps what you said is true with new mainstream music from large labels, but none of that applies to "new" music that i listen to, at least that i'm aware of.

New popular music. The mainstream went from quite decent to crap within the last 20 years or so. One could always find stuff to listen to their personal echo bubble, but not as much in the wider shared pop culture space.

A peek at billboard 100 from 2004 might surprise you. Same themes, new style and production. That said the rise of trap, particulary the repetitve autotuned bars, certainly hasn't helped in the lyricism dept.

You'll of course find great talent in every generation. While I don't like the majority of the current top billboard there's some talent behind those tracks.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by [deleted] »

goosejuice wrote: post #393
lapcat wrote: post #168

I find it interesting that GenZ and Millennials show a much smaller preference for their own decade's music. https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_pr... The 1980s are still doing quite well among all but the oldest generation. Is it possible that music may actually be getting worse? Corporatized, consolidated, computerized. Look at Hollywood now too: everything is a sequel, prequel, remake, reboot…

Music is absolutely not getting worse unless you're only considering top charting music which is such a small fraction of what's out there. Even then it's highly subjective and behind almost every one of those songs or albums is a handful of brilliant writers, producers and session musicians you probably never heard of. I'd say it's never been better. Music is more accessible which means more folks get exposed to it…

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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by tpowell »

racked wrote: post #319
redwall_hp wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Music has become more stratified. The 90s through the present have been an ongoing escalation of music being democratized more and more, from the rise of the DAW in the late 90s to iTunes and P2P sharing to YouTube and music streaming. So there is vastly more music now, and people have more opportunity to find things that suit their tastes. People listen to a wider variety of music and the same Billboard notion of po…

Care to share a playlist?

Try anything with a cover photo https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0KIAnFKMUOzSahATUBlR5f?si=...
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