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Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by jajko »

toast0 wrote: post #289
throw0101c wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That doesn't have to be a touchscreen but usually are […] With back up cameras being mandated in the US (and other jurisdictions?): * https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/02/backup-cameras-now-required-... There needs to be a screen: I'm not sure what the incremental cost is of it being touch-sensitive. And I think a lot of designers (or cost cutters) may have figured that since they have to have software anyway , it may e…

I'm pretty sure a touchscreen is cheaper than buttons, or at least awful close. You'll still get some buttons, unless the car maker really hates you, and hopefully something to turn for volume control (which may even work most of the time, if you're lucky).

Touchscreen is such a stupid low value move for driver. Physical knobs are safer in many ways, last much much more, I don't need to lose contact with whats happening in front of the car to manage these, just muscle memory. BMW has nice big physical knob (turn&press) to control all menus, much better than hunting on flat glossy screen with fingers.

Some stuff can be managed from steering wheel, but instead of putting there things like AC there are voice controls, while we all know very well this increases danger on the roads and calls shouldn't be made while driving.

That being said, I choose (used) cars based on many metrics, and this is just one of them and not the most important one. So its sort of self-inflicted move to worse.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by eloisant »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #302
kelnos wrote: post #102

It's pretty funny to me to see an Apple user complaining about lack of interop with other ecosystems. You've chosen your walled garden; now it's time to realize you're stuck in it. The author seems to blame everyone but Apple for this, though. Apparently it's Google's fault that his preferred podcast app isn't available on Android. What about the app developer, who has decided not to support Android? And it's the aut…

> give iPhones the ability to control most aspects of the car's infotainment functions Because the solutions the auto makers came up with _sucked_ and as it’s not core to the operation of the car, I’d prefer it be done by someone that even approximately knows what they’re doing with software? I am not buying the car for their infotainment features, I’m buying it for the car. I’d like it the entertainment bits were ju…

That's why I'm happy with CarPlay/AA for infotainment... ONLY. Maps, music, podcasts, that's all I need.

I don't need my whole car UI to be taken over by my phone. My car maker solution to display and control speed, HVAC, gas tank/battery status is perfectly fine.

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Post by can16358p »

One thing that is ridiculous with CarPlay is that I can't read messages: it only allows to "speak" it and while I use my phone in English I message with my friends in my native language and speaking works terrible. Even my car's shitty infotainment system can display messages.

This results in the worst possible outcome: I need to take my phone and read the messages on my phone screen, creating a safety risk.

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Post by lupusreal »

withinboredom wrote: post #405
WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could we please for once stop using the term "AI" when we mean "heuristics"?

Phones do use AI though, at least iPhones. They look at all sensors (accelerometers, gps, wifi, etc).

Sensor fusion is AI I guess.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by withinboredom »

mfeldheim wrote: post #393

The only reason I use CarPlay is because I have an iPhone. The experience with Android auto is way ahead. Did you ever try to call a business that’s not in your contacts? Did you ever try to ask a simple question? Siri integration is horrible

Siri, in general, is horrible. Just ask Siri: "set an alarm for 12:00 UTC" or "set an alarm for 12:00 Eastern Standard Time" and she will create an alarm named UTC or Eastern Standard Time ... but it's actually in your current timezone.

Super annoying when you want to set an alarm in a timezone you are going to be traveling to.

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Post by trodat14 »

can16358p wrote: post #413

One thing that is ridiculous with CarPlay is that I can't read messages: it only allows to "speak" it and while I use my phone in English I message with my friends in my native language and speaking works terrible. Even my car's shitty infotainment system can display messages. This results in the worst possible outcome: I need to take my phone and read the messages on my phone screen, creating a safety risk.

Why do you need to read messages while you’re driving?

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by bzzzt »

can16358p wrote: post #413

One thing that is ridiculous with CarPlay is that I can't read messages: it only allows to "speak" it and while I use my phone in English I message with my friends in my native language and speaking works terrible. Even my car's shitty infotainment system can display messages. This results in the worst possible outcome: I need to take my phone and read the messages on my phone screen, creating a safety risk.

Is the message so important it justifies creating a safety risk? You could also just wait until you've arrived or stop the car at a safe place...

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by deergomoo »

All I want from CarPlay is for it not to start blaring the last thing I was playing on the car speakers as soon as I plug it in, especially given there’s about a 10 second window between the sound playing and the head unit being booted enough to actually show the screen so I can pause it.

I have no idea if it’s the car or CarPlay but could I please just have a toggle somewhere?

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by jonny_eh »

deergomoo wrote: post #418

All I want from CarPlay is for it not to start blaring the last thing I was playing on the car speakers as soon as I plug it in, especially given there’s about a 10 second window between the sound playing and the head unit being booted enough to actually show the screen so I can pause it. I have no idea if it’s the car or CarPlay but could I please just have a toggle somewhere ?

Most radios have a mute that’ll also pause the playback

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by Fluorescence »

mannyv wrote: post #4

CarPlay mostly works, and although it has issues it's definitely user-focused. CarPlay doesn't prevent car makers from tracking vehicle activity. In the end, consumers don't give a shit about the in-vehicle infotainment. It sucks, or it's AA/CarPlay. The first generation of iDrive showed that rich people people will buy cars in spite of the in-car stuff. In fact, most car infotainment sucks, yet people still buy cars…

> Let's turn the question around: why would car makers want to...

The tech giants are not component suppliers you can symbiotically partner with to add value to your product. They are predatory and parasitic goliaths. They are wolves more powerful than governments with designs on your hen-house. It is frankly insane to let them own the primary interface to your customer and auto will likely regret letting them get this far.

Google/Apple infotainment ventures cannot even be called trojan horses given how open they are in their investments and desires to seize the auto industry the moment tech/profit makes it feasible. Unattractive low-margin manufacturing keeps them at bay but they are gambling on "software eats the world" long-term. For now, they will drain every available high margin service for themselves.

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