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Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by nowandlater »

twentythree wrote: post #404
alsetmusic wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a strong distrust for authority, but even I would report espionage and IP theft of this sort. Downloading a movie doesn't bother me. Running a site for others to download movies doesn't bother me. But being a snake to go defraud a company to steal the hard work of others so your own illicit company can turn a profit off said labor by others irks me. Do your own R&D. Did you ever consider doing raising a red fl…

> Running a site for others to download movies doesn't bother me. > being a snake to go defraud a company to steal the hard work of others so your own illicit company can turn a profit off said labor by others irks me. I'm sorry, I really don't understand this. What part of the second statement doesn't apply to the first?

You give it away for free instead.

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by hnburnsy »

ein0p wrote: post #410

The guy was allegedly stealing all that using Google Drive. I find such moronic behavior really hard to believe. Literally, there’s no illusion of privacy at Google while using company hardware, let alone company services. This has become quite clear after the Levandowsky fiasco - some of the things disclosed there were surprisingly invasive far in excess of what you’d normally expect

He was white washing the documents via Apple Notes and it worked initially. From the indictment I posted here...

>In total, DING uploaded more than 500 unique files containing Google Confidential Information, including the trade secrets alleged in Counts One through Four. DING exfiltrated these files by copying data from the Google source files into the Apple Notes application on his Google-issued MacBook laptop. DING then converted the Apple Notes into PDF files and uploaded them from the Google network into DING Account 1. This method helped DING evade immediate detection.

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Post by anonuser123456 »

monocasa wrote: post #110
jasonvorhe wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source for that? Sounds far fetched. (Not a Trump fan.)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/giuliani-accu...

That’s not a very credible source.

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by anonuser123456 »

thescriptkiddie wrote: post #409

How can you "steal" a trade secret? Isn't the whole idea that you forgo any legal protection of the secret so that you don't have to disclose its nature, as you would have to with a patent?

No. Trade secrets are intellectual property that have legal protection.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1832

What a trade secret lacks in protection is the monopoly granted by a patent.

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by paulddraper »

baka367 wrote: post #397
billy99k wrote: post #128

This doesn't surprise me. I knew someone that intentionally graduated with a specific major, so they could get a job in that industry and send trade secrets/IP back to China. The purpose was to create a competing company. It didn't work out for them that well. They couldn't last more than 6 months at any one company and I think eventually gave up and went back home.

Repositories are rarely worth much. Sure, some algorithms there might save you some time, but its often the design and the data where the money lies (what this guy focused on). Clone google's repo and you'll likely struggle forever to get anything of substance running on a rando vm/docker/etc. not to mention about spinning the entire stack with interconnected services, certificates, shitty code, and layers upon layer…

There's probably some deep science AI-type stuff.

Or maybe useful for security exploits.

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by paulddraper »

riku_iki wrote: post #322
billy99k wrote: post #128

This doesn't surprise me. I knew someone that intentionally graduated with a specific major, so they could get a job in that industry and send trade secrets/IP back to China. The purpose was to create a competing company. It didn't work out for them that well. They couldn't last more than 6 months at any one company and I think eventually gave up and went back home.

> get a job in that industry and send trade secrets so, is there a clear line between: steal trade secret, and applied learned experience in new company the way everyone does?

> so, is there a clear line between: steal trade secret, and applied learned experience in new company the way everyone does?

There may be some grey, but copying information in writing is pretty clearly over the line.

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by paulddraper »

barbazoo wrote: post #281
blackhawkC17 wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn’t pay. But Peter Thiel and Palmer Luckey (two big Republican donors) recommended him to the Trump team for a pardon, and Trump obliged.

Ok, however, I still don't see "it's because he could afford it".

Not all affordances are cash.

Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by xyzzyz »

baka367 wrote: post #397
billy99k wrote: post #128

This doesn't surprise me. I knew someone that intentionally graduated with a specific major, so they could get a job in that industry and send trade secrets/IP back to China. The purpose was to create a competing company. It didn't work out for them that well. They couldn't last more than 6 months at any one company and I think eventually gave up and went back home.

Repositories are rarely worth much. Sure, some algorithms there might save you some time, but its often the design and the data where the money lies (what this guy focused on). Clone google's repo and you'll likely struggle forever to get anything of substance running on a rando vm/docker/etc. not to mention about spinning the entire stack with interconnected services, certificates, shitty code, and layers upon layer…

Source code repo is like a very extremely detailed doc. You might not be able to actually easily run it due to all of the dependencies etc, but with couple of weeks of reading, you should be able to tease back out the high level design.
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