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I'm currently diving into some fairly fringe and very dead tech so my perspective is a bit skewed but I seem to be relying on the wayback machine an absolutely absurd amount lately.

Because the internet has started dying. Everyone though it would take at least some time before AI generated content kind of started stifling the internet, making it hard to find things, hard to figure out what is real. But, its already ramped up. I at least thought it would be a few more months and more focused on election. But at least me, I seem to see its impact in every YouTube video, generated content is appear…

In the case of wayback machine reliance it isn't AI really; that's due to the decline of sectors of the tech industry meaning loads of places are cutting back on hosting old stuff for very slight profit gains.

There's an argument the way AI is getting so much focus has resulted in a neglect of this kind of stuff after years/decades of it sticking around at mostly fairly low cost.

I'd say a bigger source of harm has been the endless iteration in agile practices meaning old stuff is treated as low priority because the business focus is always on adding new stuff. It's a lot harder to argue up the management chain that making something more stable will have longer term gains than A/B testing several new designs. The amount of sites that repeatedly destroyed their old content with a redesign is a bit absurd. A LOT of websites feel like they could benefit from improving their fundamental experiences and it's been so long since that was a priority that it's virtually an impossibility to untangle it at this point.

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My sense is fewer Zoomers are interested in the grimy/underworld/rave vibe compared to Millennials and Gen X. It’s all the same to them. My theory is that when Millennials were growing up there was still a strong ‘default culture’ that helped sustain a thriving counter-culture. One could move decisively between the two when bored/frazzled. Zoomers have grown up flailing around in a devolved soup of ideas. Everything’…

I would just like to point out that members/former of every counterculture back to at least the 50s have said this about the younger generation; it’s almost a cliche.

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18,000,000 subs,but how many of those are willing to pay for the news they receive?

Even if that's a mere 0.1% willing to pay a dollar per year, that's still enough to pay a few freelancers

Actually, its only $18,000 a year (18,000,000 * 0.001).

The would have to charge a lot more than that to pay anyone anything.

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just anecdotally, among the youtubers i follow those seems like view counts which would allow a solo creator to quit their day job and hire a part-time editor.

I'm beginning to see the issue. That's 1,5 employees covered by the youtube money, now for the remaining 2998,5...

As someone who has never even tried to monetize youtube, I am shocked that having that sized audience still can't make a go at it as a FT job. Guess I will stick to programming.

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Could the internet archive offer this as a paid service? For a reasonable fee, we'll archive your site, and give you back a copy of the assets you can turnkey host on the original domain for cheap with a static hosting solution (s3, cloudflare, etc). Everybody wins

they are already on it. they do really important work. worth helping them out with funding. https://twitter.com/Chronotope/status/1760755908219466017

That's the archive team, not the internet archive.

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I did some work for a design agency that got bought by Twitter.... we basically converted all their different sites to full static and put them on ice. It would have been expensive to keep hosting how they had been, but with everything flattened to static it's super cheap to keep up (although no publishing new stuff without some by hand work or restoring the old servers). All the good articles and design samples stay…

Could the internet archive offer this as a paid service? For a reasonable fee, we'll archive your site, and give you back a copy of the assets you can turnkey host on the original domain for cheap with a static hosting solution (s3, cloudflare, etc). Everybody wins

I think the issue is for the IA that isn't lucrative enough to make it worth there time. Someone already did it for them for free, even if it wasn't 100% as good as they could have done it.

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they are already on it. they do really important work. worth helping them out with funding. https://twitter.com/Chronotope/status/1760755908219466017

That's the archive team, not the internet archive.

yes, but everything is going on the internet archive. https://twitter.com/Chronotope/status/1760764792887746724

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I think YouTube is the counter argument to this - long form content from passionate people has taken off pretty good there. Perhaps it's just me, but it seriously makes the rest of social media look like an absolute trashfire by comparison.

But I don’t like video or podcasts. My brain doesn’t learn that way. I like reading

You weren't learning anything from Vice either.

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I think YouTube is the counter argument to this - long form content from passionate people has taken off pretty good there. Perhaps it's just me, but it seriously makes the rest of social media look like an absolute trashfire by comparison.

Sorta. YouTube is kinda anti-monetization of your content unless you get 1000 subscribers, which is kinda hard if you don’t do consistent topic or are entertaining. If you’re a grouchy mechanic and do boring videos of exactly how to do brakes on every car, that’s incredibly useful, but not subscribeable (unless your grouchiness becomes a meme). I feel bad for the one guy that did 1 perfect video on how to fix&overhau…

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