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Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by torginus »

jakebsky wrote: post #6
bayindirh wrote: post #3

Does that mean after Bluesky reaches critical mass, it'll turn the federation off, like Google Chat killing its XMPP federation? For clarity: I'd love to see this comment and say "I was wrong" 5 or 10 years later.

The network is designed to be "locked open" in a way that prevents this. The architecture is designed to work like the web.

You are not in control of what you see in your feed, it's the algorithm that chooses for you. So while technically all kinds of content can exist, most users will only see what's officially approved.

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Post by [deleted] »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #140
steveklabnik wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone has been working on a bridge between BlueSky and Mastodon, and uh, it has generated a TREMENDOUS amount of controversy on the Mastodon side. I have my own biases so I don't want to describe it further than that, nor link to it directly so as not to cause even more disagreement, but the controversy does not seem to faze the developer, so I believe you will have your wish.

Can you at a high level explain why people are mad about this? Is there a difference in the sort of people on Bluesky vs Mastodon, or is it a technical disagreement?

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Post by BlueTemplar »

kouru225 wrote: post #137
sergiotapia wrote: post #83

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> Twitter is a conservative cesspool I disagree. If anything now it's more balanced, every "right of Portland-liberal" is no longer hidden and shadow-banned or worse. I like it a lot more! Now you can actually read and learn about stuff you care about.

Navalny’s wife was just banned and then shadow banned. There are countless examples of leftist accounts getting banned just for being critical about Musk. It’s absolutely conservative cesspool. Nazis can are literally posting 14 words propaganda all day long and there are no consequences.

How do you get shadow banned after getting banned ?!?

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Post by KoftaBob »

jakebsky wrote: post #5

Hey HN, the engineering team at Bluesky is especially excited to get to this point! We're happy to help answer questions and help anyone trying to run their own PDS host. Things should work pretty well for self-hosters right now, but we're standing by to help if there are any problems. Technical details and the installer are in the GitHub repo https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds And we're on Discord available to he…

Now that individual posts can be viewed without logging in, is there a way to view/load a feed without authentication?

I'm working on a client and there's a specific scenario where I want to be able to show a feed like "Top 20 - Past 3 Hours" before a user has logged in to their Bluesky account.

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Post by BlueTemplar »

hnbad wrote: post #265
myko wrote: post #197

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American journalism isn't left-leaning. At best it is "click" leaning, and say what they need to do to get eyeballs on their content. This is why they helped normalize trump so hard, and repeatedly fail to call out the extremist right wing in the US.

This is what a lot of people don't get about the "pop feminism" era of online "journalism" in the pre-Trump era: it wasn't feminism, it was clickbait. At best it sold an idea of feminism but the emphasis was always on the selling part and not anything ideological. "Girlboss feminism" helps no-one except the bosses. The same is true about most so-called "left-wing" journalism. Some journalists may be true believers bu…

Speaking of, the political compass places 2020 Trump as somewhat more authoritarian than 2020 Biden, and barely more on the right :

https://politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

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Post by VHRanger »

torginus wrote: post #409
elpool2 wrote: post #64

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I think everything you said was fair, but you also mentioned Twitter being a conservative cesspool, and a lot these features like federation and composable moderation are designed to help prevent the whole "rich guy buys the company and turns it into something you don't like" scenario.

I don't see how - I'm not sure how Bluesky works but there must be moderation - otherwise the whole website would succumb to bots and gorespam, so there are people in charge who decide what you get to see. If the end result is politically unbiased, it's due to their conscious decisions, not some magic algorithm.

I think moderation is per server/community - like mastodon (or, conceptually, reddit)

As opposed to centralized moderation (twitter, FB, IG, etc.)

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by zackify »

slily wrote: post #378
zackify wrote: post #326

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The invite link is in the blog post. Assuming anyone can go to it after joining. In the example I just hard code the env variables to demonstrate, but you’d want them in secrets after testing it out.

In case you are unaware, it's considered poor etiquette to share links to login-walled social networks, and something like Discord that forces you to join a chatroom with unknown implications (it may trigger a message drawing attention to you, it may require account verification, it may require manual action from a moderator, etc.) just to access some information, all that on top of requiring an account to view anyth…

I only did it because they’re requiring anyone who wants to launch their own self hosted install, to join this exact discord and fill out an application form….

So anyone who wants to run this, has to join that discord anyway. You can find it in the blog post.

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Post by jug »

KerrAvon wrote: post #51
pfraze wrote: post #41

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It's a fair point and we definitely debated it, but it was too important to us that we complete the mission.

Debated videos and DM? Mastodon has those features; if you're not doing them at all you may want to reconsider.

I think it's sensible to have at the very least federation function as intended ahead of DM's as I imagine DM is another part pretty contingent on federation due to the privacy issues becoming approximately 10x more complicated with federation. ;-) Twitter is having it easy.

Videos might be more of a resource issue. Hardly a good time to launch videos almost at the same timeframe as they spike their user base by going public.

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Post by rakoo »

CaptainFever wrote: post #318
kstrauser wrote: post #201

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That was quit the mess. Ryan Barrett is a smart guy and seems quite nice, but it was very ill-advised to unilaterally decide to build an opt-out bridge. In general, if users one platform A want their stuff to be on platform B, they'll find a way to make that happen. If someone else takes it upon themselves to copy everything from A to B, people understandably get pretty bent about it. If it had been an opt-in system,…

I'm surprised that the tool in question is Bridgy Fed. Bridgy Fed has existed for a long time and is a very useful tool. Its alternative, Bridgy, has also been used to bridge between closed social networks and the open IndieWeb. Why are Fediverse people only angry about it now? It's an open protocol. If you want privacy, don't publish something for the entire world to see. That's just basic common sense. At the very…

I'm one of the persons who blocks the bridge, not because of privacy concerns but because it bluesky, specifically. I do not like the idea of for-profit, vc-backed entities being given data, or any kind of decision. We all know exactly where that leads, a term has been coined, mountains have been wrtten about it and yet it still happens.

It's the same situation with Threads.

As for privacy I disagree with you. There's nothing because nothing has been discussed, but the technical feasability should never dictate what we want as a society. When a family member dies, even though the news is known you know how to behave, who to share that information with, what to say. Would you be okay with a company coring up to you and saying "hey we learned your mother died, would you like to tweet it ? It is free !"

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Post by eropple »

pests wrote: post #354
eropple wrote: post #309

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Sure, but that's Scary(tm), because an unexpected viral skeet is going to cost you a lot of money. In this case I'd expect almost all video to be fraudulent--either in terms of pirated egress or in terms of disinfomation scams.

Why must we insist on calling these things after an euphemism for ejaculation? Never going to be taken seriously by the public.

Because it's funny.
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