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Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by hbn »

apapapa wrote: post #371
ra7 wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s sad that a company of very smart people can’t figure out coherent naming. Can you imagine Apple causing confusion like this? I know it’s not a like-for-like comparison, but everything Apple does it seems like they have a grand strategy that’s clear for everyone to see. Things build up in a modular way to fit a big puzzle. Google, on the other hand, constantly makes up things on an ad hoc basis.

MS does the same thing... Look at Xbox naming history https://recordhead.biz/history-of-microsoft-xbox-consoles/

It's really not that bad. Nintendo's got more confusing SKUs in some of their product lineups than that.

The only thing that was stupid with Microsoft's naming was this latest generation that they call it Series S and Series X, which is bad for 2 reasons:

- No one knows what to call them as a general term. You can say "this game is for PS5" but for them it's like "this game is for Xbox Series"? I guess they just want you to call it "Xbox" cause that's all it says at the top of the game cases now.

- They just came from selling the One S and One X, which was a mid-lifespan hardware update, the S being a smaller formfactor Xbox One and the X being a spec bump. Confusing that they continue to sell and S and an X but it's a whole new console.

They should have already learned from Nintendo who made this mistake several times with the 3DS (which many didn't realize was an entirely new but backwards compatible system from the DS), new 3DS (yes that was an actual system's name that had exclusive games that couldn't be played on the normal 3DS), and Wii U (which everyone thought was a tablet controller for the Wii)

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Post by mark_l_watson »

I just signed up for the $21/month Gemini Advanced, and this is just one data point: I just asked it a fairly hard programming task and it did a very good job, in an obscure language Common Lisp (that has been my favorite programming language since 1982 - there must be dozens of CL enthusiasts in the world :-) ). The generated code and supporting explanations were very good.

Off topic, but I find this amusing: I have stopped using “free” Google services like search and gmail (mostly), but I am now up to about $135/month on paid Google services (not counting GCP bills). Paid services like YouTube/Music Premium, YouTube TV, Play books, etc. are really good.

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Post by ukuina »

selllikesybok wrote: post #231
ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

Question for you - > better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing How are you getting it to incorporate search results in its answers? I can't for the life of me get it to find any real-time external data except for the 5 official 'extensions' under settings, which are for Flights/Hotels/Maps/Workspace/YouTube. Did you mean that, or have you found a workaround to get Bard to actually search on G…

You have to click the "G" icon in its response to "verify answers with Google".

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Post by visarga »

seydor wrote: post #301
freediver wrote: post #277

This is an impressive product, well done Google. There is a PM in there somewhere who knows what they are doing, kudos to you. Prediction: they get to 6-7 digit number of paying customers, decide it is peanuts for them (~$20M/mo) and instead decide to push the free version with ads with full force as the future of search.

I take it for granted that all these services are going to be free. They are a goldmine for behavioral and persuasion engineers. I just hope we end up with at least a duopoly this time instead of monopoly

> I take it for granted that all these services are going to be free. They are a goldmine for behavioral and persuasion engineers.

They are also a goldmine for LLMs. Training on human text is necessary for AIs but it has one major flaw - it is so called "off-policy". That means it portrays human behavior and human errors. While human-AI chat logs portray AI errors, so they are better material to generate training data than human text. Those LLM errors are usually corrected by the human, there is an implicit signal in there to improve the model.

chatGPT is reportedly serving 10M customers and let's assume 10K tokens/month/user. Then it seems they collect ~1T tokens/month. In one year they have 12T tokens, while their original training set for GPT-4 was rumored to be 13T tokens. It's about the same size! I am expecting to see more discussion about LLM chat log datasets in the near future. What have they learned in one year from our interactions and explorations?

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Post by surajrmal »

linsomniac wrote: post #270
yellow_lead wrote: post #2

> 2 TB of storage in Photos, Gmail & Drive for you and up to 5 other people Keep in mind your files may be accidentally deleted if Google doesn't cancel this product first [1][2]. [1] https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/27/google_drive_files_di... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38431743

The wording around the Gemini Ultra enable scares me: "Upgrade your Google One plan". I have a One family plan, does this upgrade remove the family part? What happens if I don't decide to keep Gemini and want to go back to my current plan, can I even do that? Google has kind of botched these sorts of upgrades in the past so I'm pretty reluctant to give it a try here.

All Google one offerings are family plans. Yes you can downgrade as well.

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Post by chatmasta »

ysofunny wrote: post #362
ra7 wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s sad that a company of very smart people can’t figure out coherent naming. Can you imagine Apple causing confusion like this? I know it’s not a like-for-like comparison, but everything Apple does it seems like they have a grand strategy that’s clear for everyone to see. Things build up in a modular way to fit a big puzzle. Google, on the other hand, constantly makes up things on an ad hoc basis.

naming things is hard is one of the cultural difference between a computer-first logical mindset contrasted with the mathematics-first mindset the mathematics first mentality does not properly recognize the importance and the difficulty of having good names for things, whereas the computological view recognizes both: the importance and the difficulty

Insofar as naming things is basically applied category theory, I'd trust a mathematician to name a set of products more tersely and understandably than I would an English major.

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Post by planb »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #329
planb wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please anyone correct me if I'm wrong: LLMs cannot solve this kind of riddle. This has nothing to do with their capabilities for logical reasoning, but with the way words are represented as tokens. While they might know that "apples" has two syllables because that is mentioned somewhere in their training data, if you make up a fruit "bratush" a human will see that as two syllables, but this might be 1 to 7 tokens to…

GPT-4 has a really good tokenizer that is able to retain and use more information about input tokens than one might naively think.

Interesting. Given the example with made up words someone posted here it really looks like I was wrong.

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Post by lagt_t »

tarvaina wrote: post #299

Did I get this right? Bard – old name of their generative AI service, to be called Gemini Duet AI – old name for their generative AI in Google Workspace, to be called Gemini Gemini – three things: 1. the name of their models (like GPT). 2. the new name of their free service (like ChatGPT), gives access to Pro 1.0 but not Ultra 1.0. 3. the new name of the Generative AI tools in Google Workspace. Gemini Advanced – the…

Gemini pro is order of magnitude better than GPT-3.5 Its pretty close to GPT-4.

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Post by surajrmal »

klabb3 wrote: post #318
linsomniac wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The wording around the Gemini Ultra enable scares me: "Upgrade your Google One plan". I have a One family plan, does this upgrade remove the family part? What happens if I don't decide to keep Gemini and want to go back to my current plan, can I even do that? Google has kind of botched these sorts of upgrades in the past so I'm pretty reluctant to give it a try here.

Finally some actual relevant criticism in this thread. You’re spot on. Google is deep into “shipping the org chart”. As such, I would be worried too that different products conflict with each other. It’s funny that Google can design and operationalize the most incredible engineering marvels, but can’t explain their products (and in particular how they interact with each other).

How is this shipping an org chart? It's combining products built by different parts of the company into a single subscription which seems like the opposite.
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