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Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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When we upgraded our appliances, the "smart" or "wifi-enabled" ones were specifically avoided like the plague. "Dumb" appliances - especially fridges, for some reason - are becoming hard to come by, but they do exist. Electrolux, KitchenAid, even LG all make some no-frills models that can save both money and frustration. Hopefully those companies continue serving the "luddite techie" market.

I bought the wife a "thermomix" because she was ranting/raving about how great it is. Its a glorified blender with a heating element that cost (at the time) well over a grand. Its only after I bought it (and the free trial expired) that I discovered that an additional subscription is required to use the integrated "cooking recipe" service that guides you through cooking various dishes - insanely cheeky given how much…

Vitamix blenders blend hard enough that the friction of the blades in the liquid can bring your soup to a simmer, fwiw.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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When we upgraded our appliances, the "smart" or "wifi-enabled" ones were specifically avoided like the plague. "Dumb" appliances - especially fridges, for some reason - are becoming hard to come by, but they do exist. Electrolux, KitchenAid, even LG all make some no-frills models that can save both money and frustration. Hopefully those companies continue serving the "luddite techie" market.

Is that hyperbole regarding fridges, or is it really that bad in the USA? Here in Germany, the vast majority of fridges are still just fridges.

A person over here https://slrpnk.net/comment/4749319 said

>The EU just made it so that any new major appliance must be repaired by the maker for 10 years

I'm not sure how true that is, but I set by VPN Dublin, Ireland and did some shopping to see what brands are avaliable.

Lot of interesting brands I ran across:

    BEKO
    BOSCH
    CANDY
    HOOVER
    HOTPOINT
    INDESIT
    LIEBHERR
    MIELE
    NORDMENDE
    NORKO
    POWERPOINT
    SIEMENS
    TCL
    WHIRLPOOL
Really surprising to my that a Bosch / Miele can be had for less than $1000. In the US, it’s hard to find anything less than $3k in those brands. I have seen some places around here sell Beko, but only in white.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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I'm a little confused about these fridge posts. There are refrigerators that do not have any tech that will last [most likely] longer than you stay in your home. I've had multiple Subzero basic commodity or commercial refrigerators last 15-20 years with only minor parts replacements which are easily found. Of course these are not cheap, but isn't that what everyone here is asking for? Something made well that lasts a…

People SAY that want well made, simple things. But people will generally not PAY FOR simple, well made things when much cheaper options are available. You and I might, and many others as well. But the vast majority of folks will not pay more for a higher quality, longer lasting item. Another example is Speed Queen for washers and dryers. They are substantially more expensive and look very plain and even old fashioned…

20 years ago you could buy a simple, reliable, mid-low priced fridge and expect it to last 20 years. The only reason I replaced mine (a Sears branded Whirlpool) is that some idiot contractors destroyed it. It lasted 20 years without a single repair.

I had a similar era whatever of Whirlpool's bargain basement brand was in my apartment in the city. That one did stop cooling reliably, but a $20 relay and 10 minutes fixed that right up. I didn't even bother to call the landlord.

With few exceptions you'll find similar stories from most well known brands up through the mid 00s.

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At first, I thought "Wow, this guy knows a bunch about fridges!" but then I realized it's not by choice. I like not having to know anything about my fridge except basic maintenance, it feels like a gift now.

Well it kind of is by choice. Unless the author enjoys this type of work he could have easily bought a no-feature fridge that lasts for 10-15 years.

It was definitely a mistake. I had store credit to use and felt like using it all, but should of known better. FWIW I have a no-feature fridge now.

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I first felt impressed by the note taking, but the more I read, the more I felt it is not very keeping it simple. Thinking back in some shitty fridges we’ve had, I have a good feeling about which ones were shit and which were good. I don’t need to keep notes on this. For other parts of life this is great though: keeping track of what is going one with some friends I don’t often see or distant relatives. Impressive.

I'm basically this guy once I sit down at the computer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcL86UpqZc

So I've invested more times in Emacs than I'll probably ever get back in timing savings from ripgrep'ing through my notes.

However, they're nice to have when I need them.

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One of the happier things I’ve done for myself lately, at the advice of this forum, was to get a rock-solid, dumb, black-and-white Brother laser printer. It sits there and just does its job and I never have to think about it. Does anyone have any tips as to the white-goods equivalents? Fridge, freezer, laundry machines, that kind of thing?

That's going to vary by appliance. The appliance sales and repair shops that have youtube channels are a pretty good resource (Ben's Appliances and Junk, Yale Appliance, Boulevard Home, etc). But so is intuition.

Buy whatever you can get service for. This rules out Samsung and LG, but in a smaller area this might rule out some other brands. In general avoid LG unless you want a front loading washer, and avoid Samsung in general.

There aren't that many manufacturers. Bosch, Thermador, and Gaggenau; Whirlpool / Amana / KitchenAid / Maytag / Jennair; Electrolux / Frigidaire / Zanussi / Westinghouse /; etc etc etc. Ikea's all Frigidaire these days, and Kenmore you've gotta check the part number (typically Whirlpool or LG).

Dishwasher – pretty much the universal opinion is Bosch. The quiet part is that their current lineup has design decisions you may not like (no heating element, no grinder). And they definitely feel cheap. But they're quiet and USA made.

Washer – Speed Queen for a top loader, but again read up on the caveats. Whirlpool's commercial lineup is basically their consumer lineup from 20 years ago. They may be cheaper/easier to buy and service than Speed Queen. Lots of folks seem to love LG front loaders.

Fridge – top freezers with no ice maker are about as simple, efficient, and reliable as you can get. But Whirlpool's current top freezers are junk. Supposedly Whirlpool's more expensive fridges are still decent. Other designs (e.g. bottom freezer) are more complicated and will be less efficient. At the higher end Bosch's big side by sides with the dual compressors are supposed to be pretty solid.

Ranges – figure out what you want and go from there. Samsung is reportedly pretty bad with gas ranges, and obviously electronics aren't their strong suit either. Induction ranges will typically have more assemblies and fewer individual components to replace ($$$ to service). With induction the low end Frigidaires don't have any WiFi bullshit, but only the higher priced brands (and Samsung) will eschew the touchscreens.

Microwaves – American kitchens tend to feature those big hulking units hung right over the stove. But counter top models are waaay cheaper and all mostly the same guts.

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One of the happier things I’ve done for myself lately, at the advice of this forum, was to get a rock-solid, dumb, black-and-white Brother laser printer. It sits there and just does its job and I never have to think about it. Does anyone have any tips as to the white-goods equivalents? Fridge, freezer, laundry machines, that kind of thing?

If you can afford it get Breville. I was really shocked at how much better quality their appliances were when I got my first one. The microwave controls for example are 10x more intuitive and thoughtful than anything I’d seen before.

Ehhhhh. I got one of the fancy Breville toaster ovens because the (gas) oven in my apartment was so janky. If that's best in class, I'd hate to see the competition. The controls take 1–2 seconds to wake up, it makes the most horrendous beeping noises, the convection fan causes some funky resonance occasionally, the nonstick coating means you have to be careful cleaning it, the preheat timer is overly optimistic, the door spring is way too strong, etc, etc.

It works but I definitely don't love it, and I'm left wondering how hard it would've really been to remedy most of the annoyances. For the price (and given the reviews) I was definitely expecting better.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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Even appliances that aren't internet connected are going down this terrible UX path. My old washing machine had nobs (dials) you turn. You put the clothes and soap in, close the door and press the button. My preference of type of wash and water temperature were all "saved" by the nob position. My current washing machine, nob is type of wash, capacitive touch buttons for everything else. Keeping the nob "on" keeps the…

Unrelated, but the word knob has a k in it. :)

ISMO on silent letters: https://youtu.be/dBpMlRmkV1Q

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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If you want to keep it simple, don't even bother with filtered water and just drink out of the tap. It is safe in the developed world. If you are concerned about germs, which can get through the filter anyway, you should boil the water instead.

Haha you've never been to San Francisco. The tap water there is this nasty opaque sludge. It comes out of the faucet looking like bathwater after the bath has been used. Knowing the way things go there, they probably turned their water treatment facilities into Roman style bathhouses that could serve as shelters for the homeless.

That sounds a whole lot like a you problem, presumably due to old pipes in your building or whatever. Most SF water comes from Hetch Hetchy and is clean enough at the source that it's not required to be filtered. My experience over a few decades is that San Francisco's tap water is about the best tasting in the nation.

https://tappwater.co/blogs/blog/can-you-drink-san-francisco-...

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