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Spot Bitcoin ETF receives official approval from the SEC

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Re: Spot Bitcoin ETF receives official approval from the SEC

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If people want to say “I’m a bitcoin fanboy” to justify it that’d be one thing, but there’s always this insinuation that any day it’s going to find its killer use case that isn’t already solved better by a centralized system instead of only existing to buy in hopes of the price goes up

The killer use case has existed from day 1: remove the middleman. That is banks, or goverments. That's it. There's literally nothing else to it. Speculating on its value, while possible, has nothing to do with its purpose.

And yet here we are, discussing a Bitcoin ETF, which involves plenty of corporate middlemen and has no benefit to the Bitcoin community besides increasing Bitcoin's speculative value.

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Looks like these are the 11 tickers? Bitwise (BITB) ARK Invest/21Shares (ARKB) Invesco Galaxy Bitcoin ETF (BTCO) iShares Bitcoin Trust (IBIT) VanEck Bitcoin Trust (HODL) Franklin Bitcoin ETF (EZBC) Fidelity Wise Origin Bitcoin Trust (FBTC) WisdomTree Bitcoin Trust (BTCW) Valkyrie Bitcoin Fund (BRRR) Hashdex Bitcoin Futures ETF (DEFI) Grayscale Bitcoin Trust (GBTC)

Weird how the price went to 48k on fake news, with the potential to go even higher until revealed to be fake, but only 47k on the real news?

> Weird how the price went to 48k on fake news, with the potential to go even higher until revealed to be fake, but only 47k on the real news?

It makes sense if you figure that the ETF is probably just another FTX-like scam (except now by competitors of FTX who are even better at regulatory capture).

All it means is that you now have a security that tracks Bitcoin's price, but is probably backed by very little actual Bitcoin.

TLDR: money is going to flow out of real Bitcoin and into this fake Bitcoin ETF causing the price of real Bitcoin to go down eventually. That's without even considering insane possibilities of naked shorting by a certain owner of a certain large hedge fund that is co-owner/founder of this ETF and also owner of the US's largest market maker.

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all it took was a judge declaring the SEC’s prior view toward bitcoin ETFs to be arbitrary and capricious and the SEC thinking about appealing but realizing this absolutely based SCOTUS would delete the SEC like Thanos if they ever get taken beyond circuit appeals court by the private sector markets win

fr... on god, this BTC ETF is bussin

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If my operation is earning more ROI, that's my benefit.

The post you were replying to was talking about conserving energy, not maximizing ROI in a zero-sum game: > I work in architecture and year after year the industry is pushing to squeeze every last bit of energy efficiency out of everything.

Comparing two apples is boring, it is much more fun to throw an orange into the mix.

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The strong anti-Bitcoin sentiment on HN is still amusing. It goes way back - 13 years or more. Having read many of these negative comments, I think part of this sentiment boils down to the commenter seeing no point to Bitcoin. Just this thread has examples. It must be more than a little annoying to feel very strongly that Bitcoin is pointless, but to also notice that it's still here. Year after year. If that shoe wer…

It's hard for humans to put ego aside and admit they were wrong. Also hard to put emotion aside and forget the pain of missing out from $100 to $45k. I think there's still an easy 10X to match Gold and 100X is possible if it becomes the world's preferred reserve asset

> I think there's still an easy 10X to match Gold and 100X is possible if it becomes the world's preferred reserve asset

Whats the logic connecting BTC to gold? Why would the two prices be connected in the way you're suggesting?

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Bitcoin just like capitalism is a horrible failure making life worse for humanity and no proof exists it made anything better. Both accelerate the destruction of the planet and humanity. It’s ridiculous to claim any of this is good just because you think you have a chance to get some imaginary part of the big cake.

Bitcoin saved my cousin from starvation. Can the same be said for anti-capitalism, eg. Communism? Nope, because Holodomor.

Bitcoin is more like communism than autocratic regimes that starve people through malice or incompetence.

The answer to states that cannot manage their own money supply isn't outsourcing to ecologically disastrous shit coins limping along at 7 TPS.

All that said, hope your cousin is safe and well fed.

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It provides an alternative to banks. Once you realize that banks are very fragile and abusive, just having this alternative is important. Banks can deny you access to your money on a whim. Compliance, glitch, failure, whatever. You can't use your money. You can't buy food. You can't pay rent. You can't buy tickets. You can't hire a lawyer. It's nice to have something which is based on completely different principles.

I think you'll be amazed at the extent to which BTC will be able to be controlled by strong central governments. I'd be shocked if in ten years there's not granular control over which wallets contain "tainted" bitcoin and cannot be converted to fiat except through actual money laundering. There's been a lot of consolidation of the exchanges in USA, tons of KYC controls in place now, and old-school options like localb…

I remember seeing articles related to this from a few years ago. I wonder what's going on under the hood at places like Coinbase.

https://news.bitcoin.com/industry-execs-freshly-minted-virgi...

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Weird how the price went to 48k on fake news, with the potential to go even higher until revealed to be fake, but only 47k on the real news?

> Weird how the price went to 48k on fake news, with the potential to go even higher until revealed to be fake, but only 47k on the real news? It makes sense if you figure that the ETF is probably just another FTX-like scam (except now by competitors of FTX who are even better at regulatory capture). All it means is that you now have a security that tracks Bitcoin's price, but is probably backed by very little actual…

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Re: Spot Bitcoin ETF receives official approval from the SEC

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Bitcoin just like capitalism is a horrible failure making life worse for humanity and no proof exists it made anything better. Both accelerate the destruction of the planet and humanity. It’s ridiculous to claim any of this is good just because you think you have a chance to get some imaginary part of the big cake.

Bitcoin saved my cousin from starvation. Can the same be said for anti-capitalism, eg. Communism? Nope, because Holodomor.

At the price of putting someone else into starvation which you ignored…

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I guess what exactly do you define as scamming? In terms of outright fraud, I agree there's a lot. It shouldn't be super surprising that scammers tend to prefer decentralized permissionless financial rails, for the same reason that political extremists and pornographers were some of the biggest earliest users of the decentralized permissionless publishing rails of the early Internet. But I wouldn't characterize all,…

> Are memecoins a scam? I would say they're more like a massively multiplayer form of gambling. They're practically indistinguishable from penny-stock scams, and they almost always involve a bunch of outright lies in their promotional materials; the only reason you can argue that many buyers aren't deceived is because lying is so rampant and expected in that space that people take it as given that the claims are goin…

I meet some people in crypto occasionally, and it's hilarious that most of them no longer talk about technologies, projects, applications - all they discuss is sentiment. "Oh, there's a wave of positive outlook", or "new patterns of participation are emerging". At least it's honest, I guess, instead of pretending that we are changing the world with DAOs or whatever, they are just sizing up the next bubble.
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