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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

dmix wrote: post #373
torginus wrote: post #369

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Counterpoint: The new crop of BYD EVs seem to be really well built - up with European/Asian brands in their market segment. They still lag somewhat in other areas (drivetrain efficiency, software, ADAS etc.), but to say that a new company can't build cars well is simply just not true.

HN is suddenly anti-innovation You must be a 100yr old conglomerate, those companies never do shady things or have failures in quality control.

Yes but the article is about the Tesla being at the bottom of the list.

If you’re one of the 3/20 Tesla 3 owners that have serious faults Teslas innovation isn’t of much value to you.

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Post by baldeagle »

Closi wrote: post #397
gonzo41 wrote: post #374

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Honestly, That's not good enough. In the car world you can recruit car engineers to fix simple car production problems. Objectively most of Tesla's issues are due to the poor fit and finish of the cabin and general fitment of things together. IF you ignore the whole electric engine and just treat it like and ice vehicle, Telsa should just be building on the knowledge of others and hiring Toyota engineers to help the…

Tesla produced the same number of cars in 2022 as they did in all years combined from 2012-2020. If you think it's easy to just stand up that level of production capacity, and that they are actually they are just ignoring simple production problems, then you are underestimating the challenge. Things like panel gaps are not necessarily easy fixes - i.e. what if you know the solution to a 1mm improvement, but can't eas…

There is a concept in manufacturing called the andon cord (a button / pull that activates a claxon and stops the line). Once the line stops, everyone swarms the problem and works on a fix. Toyota in the 80s pioneered its use and then beat the big 3 at manufacturing quality.

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Post by ericd »

badpun wrote: post #359
light_hue_1 wrote: post #269

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This is like reading a review of an iphone from an older dedicated blackberry user. It can take a bit to get used to advances in technology. The Tesla UI is the best car UI I've ever used. By far. I would never want to go back. 1. There's zero guessing. The steering wheel touch zones are very nicely marked by bumps. I have never put my finger in the wrong spot. 2. You can configure the steering wheel buttons to do so…

> 3. Never in my life have I just stared at the speedometer. Why are you staring at it so much? Is something wrong? Without checking speedometer often, how do you know if you're not going above the speed limit?

Mine is set to chime when I go 8 mph over (you can define this). Also, I tend to use the traffic aware cruise control on the highway to set a speed and not have to worry about it. Also, the speed is in the top left corner, it’s very easy to flick your eyes there.

As with most of the things that people worry about with these, it’s actually not a problem.

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Post by dazc »

akie wrote: post #396
ryukoposting wrote: post #236

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Do they move fast, though? The Model S is ancient history now, and the Model X is aging too. Both models are in need of a successor.

I once read an opinion that stated that Tesla will eventually lose because they don't continually introduce new or updated models (say, every year) like other car brands do, and that person thought that they will lose customer favor because of it because their cars will be "the old thing" with no "new thing" available. In other words: Cars are fashion too, and Tesla only has one entry in each category. It's a good en…

The only mistake Toyota made in the UK was to re-brand the Corolla as an Auris. They paddled back but not to the status they once enjoyed?

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Post by greenyoda »

verisimi wrote: post #312
janoc wrote: post #234

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You forgot the very "unimportant" detail which was that electric cars in Norway were zero VAT and tax for electric cars until this year (normal VAT is 25%). Well, gee, no wonder that people were buying them left and right when the tax discount was about 16-20k NOK per car on average! And that is just buying the car - Norway subsidizes electric mobility in many other ways so even today registering a new electric is ch…

yes - wouldn't it be lovely to see governments uninvolved in these sorts of market decisions? If the government discounts cars by 25% - that's one thing. But let's not forget too that the greater part of the cost of running a car (the fuel) is mainly made up by tax on the fuel - it itself is an artificial price. Nothing about transport is reflective of the underlying reality. Its simply a governmental chess board, an…

> the greater part of the cost of running a car (the fuel) is mainly made up by tax on the fuel

That may be true in Europe, but not here in the US. In the US, the federal gasoline tax is currently about $.18 per gallon, and state taxes range from about $.09 to $.58 per gallon[1] (with the median around $0.27). The average price of gasoline in the US has been around $3.00 per gallon[2] ($0.79 per liter), so the total tax would range from about 9% to 25% of the cost, depending on the state.

The price of gas in most European countries is much higher, with Norway paying over twice the US average (US $7.87 / US gallon).[3]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_State...

[2] https://www.finder.com/gas-prices

[3] https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/Europe/

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Post by ryanklee »

edude03 wrote: post #393
badpun wrote: post #359

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> 3. Never in my life have I just stared at the speedometer. Why are you staring at it so much? Is something wrong? Without checking speedometer often, how do you know if you're not going above the speed limit?

Go the same speed as traffic? If that turns out to be above the speed limit "they can't (and realistically won't) stop us all"

There's not always traffic.

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Post by [deleted] »

93po wrote: post #391
Avshalom wrote: post #155

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This year Tesla is ranked middle of the pack by CR but '21 and '22 it was bottom 5 for reliability, not to mention that whole Rueters article from last week. Like this isn't the data point.

CR is biased garbage

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Post by nox100 »

gonzo41 wrote: post #384
croutonwagon wrote: post #287

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I never understood why a car company would WANT to do better than a software company. Just make something with fully integrated CarPlay or Android auto with a failsafe for rentals or those without phones that don’t want to pair. If you want the fully featured maps, guidance just pair your phone. Done. CarPlay is leagues beyond anything I have seen otherwise in an infotainment system.

I actually suspect this is a cultural thing with Japan and feature phones being a pretty dominant thing. Maybe they just don't see the priority in Carplay.

feature phones are not a dominate thing in japan.

https://www.soumu.go.jp/johotsusintokei/whitepaper/ja/r04/ht...

86% of the population owns a smartphone. That's higher than the USA

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Post by dazc »

badpun wrote: post #359
light_hue_1 wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is like reading a review of an iphone from an older dedicated blackberry user. It can take a bit to get used to advances in technology. The Tesla UI is the best car UI I've ever used. By far. I would never want to go back. 1. There's zero guessing. The steering wheel touch zones are very nicely marked by bumps. I have never put my finger in the wrong spot. 2. You can configure the steering wheel buttons to do so…

> 3. Never in my life have I just stared at the speedometer. Why are you staring at it so much? Is something wrong? Without checking speedometer often, how do you know if you're not going above the speed limit?

Checking and staring are two different things. I can glance at another woman without being slapped in the face, staring at that same woman may result in other outcomes.

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Post by adrian_b »

adamors wrote: post #214
namdnay wrote: post #119

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Yeah the presence of Dacia at the bottom leads one to suspect correlation with other factors, given that Dacia are quite reliable by design (they literally take the most reliable parts from the Renaults of 10+ years ago and repackage them as new models) As you say, I suspect the lack of scheduled maintenance significantly impacts the ratings here

Dacias are definitely not reliable.

Dacia Logan is one of the cheapest, probably frequently the cheapest car that can be bought in Germany.

So a low reliability in exchange for a very low purchase price is to be expected.

For the price of a Tesla, you could buy a large number of Dacia Logan, to use another one whenever one breaks down.

So Tesla should better improve their quality, to no longer be comparable to the cheapest existing cars.

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