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The pro-Israel information war

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I have no skin in this game but I have a lot of Jewish friends. I have two conclusions: - Whoever is in charged for this "pro-Israel" information war failed miserably. Even in Jewish communities. - Putin is clearly the winner here. The mistakes are the following: - They focused way too much on the mainstream media. And nearly nothing on TikTok, forums, etc. - They did nothing about China's and Russia's influence and…

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> which also included a denunciation of the “Zionist ideology which promotes an exclusivist state,” That's an interesting claim, since Israel is definitely not a exclusivist state. Yet again, 'anti-zionism' seems to be used as a dog whistle for anti-semitism This article is pretty bad, it screams the typical "jews run the media" trope The authors also collaborated on an article called 'Moderna is spying on you'. So t…

Not an exclusivist state, really? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-adopts-divisive-la... Basically every human rights org has come out and declared it an apartheid state based off how non-Jews are treated within Israel proper and in Israeli-occupied territory.

> Although the law is largely symbolic

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I think the frustrating thing about the “information space” is that through a sum of “intentionally manipulative,” “willfully ignorant,” and “poised to attack you” voices, the whole space is pretty useless if your goal is to try to reconcile your strong emotions and thoughts on deeply nuanced, complex issues.

I’m inclined, more than ever, to just stay quiet, but as a social animal that’s exceedingly uncomfortable.

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I'm not trying to deflect, but I do find it interesting that just 2 months ago, >100K Armenians were permanently displaced from their homes in Nagorno-Karabakh where they've lived for literally millenia, and I saw essentially no coverage of this in Western media (in contrast, it was all over Russian media, possibly because Armenia is a historical ally of Russia and a lot of Russians are frustrated that Russia and the…

Totally unrelated, did you know it was Israel that armed the Azeri army for their ethnic cleansing campaign?

https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/rjhofzoet

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I’m very pro-Palestinian. That’s yet another reason why I want Hamas gone. There’s no chance for social justice while terrorists are running the show.

What do you think about the historical evidence of Netanyahu promoting Hamas for this very reason? https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up... Anyway, we can make a similar argument about the Netanyahu regime: it is actively making Jewish, Israeli, and American people around the world less safe . It is almost treasonous that our elected officials are supporting this dangerous regime so uncriticall…

> almost treasonous

It's fully treasonous imo. Has been since Biden repeated the "beheaded babies" lie twice, even against the express disapproval of his own staff.

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Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

Couldn't agree more. It's a common misunderstanding, perhaps because there has always been a powerful campaign to equate any criticism of Israel to antisemitism.

Paul Graham posted some figure of children deaths in Gaza since (after) October 7 and a bunch of tech twitter incl. some founders and VCs called him an antisemite. His only commentary on the figures was "grim". I think it's entirely fair for him to say those things out of empathy due to having children who are around the same age as many of these children in Gaza.

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It’s more complicated than that. Criticizing Israeli settlements in the West Bank is not antisemitic. But suggesting that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state is antisemitic as it implies ethnic cleansing. Both are arguably criticisms of the Israeli government.

It is interesting that the widespread view of isreali people that Palestinians doesn't have right to have a state is not viewed as bad as the other way around. Ironically it can be called antisemitism too. Because they are Semitic too [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people

That's a classic etymological fallacy.

Antisemitism is a word that was coined in the 19th century specifically as anti-Jew.

The fact that Semite today can now refer to non-Jews doesn't mean Antisemitism refers to non-Jews as well.

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Some of this information war seems to be intended from keeping the US from considering a third option - sitting this one out. One U.S. State Department official resigned over this when he saw Israel's weapons shopping list.[1] The US could provide humanitarian aid, but not military aid. Cut military aid to Israel. Maybe still provide Iron Dome reloads, but that's about it. Bring in a hospital ship off Gaza, to care f…

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This opinion is surfacing in the likes of Ramaswamy.

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Not an exclusivist state, really? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-adopts-divisive-la... Basically every human rights org has come out and declared it an apartheid state based off how non-Jews are treated within Israel proper and in Israeli-occupied territory.

> Although the law is largely symbolic

Then why pass it? Also “largely” is not “altogether.” And a symbolic law speaks to intent, which is embodied in the other not-so-symbolic laws.

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>Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response. Okay - then what should be Israel's response? For me what they are doing is the bare minimum with the minimum casualties from the options they have. Hamas is Gaza's government. Hamas has intertwined the civilian and the military infrastructure. Hamas has made sure that the civilian Palestinians will suffer if you targe…

>Okay - then what should be Israel's response? The same response I have concluded should have been the US' response to 9/11: turn the other cheek, and invest heavily in reconciling with "enemy" forces while rebuilding "enemy" infrastructure and institutions, while dealing with individual bad actors on a case-by-case basis as a matter of legal (rather than martial) procedure. And I'm not joking. I feel bad for Israeli…

Under your plan, how many instances of oct 7 do you think Israel should tolerate before they rethink things?
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