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Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by pimlottc »

nojvek wrote: post #366

Lyft/Uber/DoorDash and a host of others have useful notifications when you have a delivery but abuse trust to send a ton of marketing spam. Apple should make a version of - Allow notifications for 1 hour. Like how they have allow location use while this app is open. Sooooooo much garbage notifications email and real mail. In the name of earning a few more dollars, we subject most humans to incredible amount of decisi…

> Apple should make a version of - Allow notifications for 1 hour.

That’s a great idea, the question is, how would you activate it? Ideally it would happen automatically when you eg placed a delivery order, but you couldn’t allow the app to control or it would be abused. But if it’s not automatic then most users would likely never use it (or even know it exists).

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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anigbrowl wrote: post #191

Marketing people are trash, episode someverylargenumber You know where we need lots of marketing people? Mars. I think we should send them there first to build the consumer society that will be necessary for colonizing a new planet, perhaps in some sort of space Ark.

I mean, sorta yes, but marketers are just another cog in a machine that is incentivized to abuse users for profit

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by jen20 »

standardUser wrote: post #368
xyst wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be nuts. What would be the incentive for people to “opt in” to marketing spam? Get 10% off your next order if you leave marketing notifications on for 1 month? Also the UI would be a mess. UX would be terrible. Most people would probably ignore the massive list of options, and then complain later as to why the app isn’t notifying them :dead:

What is the incentive for people to opt in to cookies? And have you never given your email to a company for a 15% off code? Happens all the time. Nice try defending tech companies against regulation though.

I’ve never given them an email that will actually get to my inbox, no. Every company gets a unique email address so I can tell who is abusing them.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by jen20 »

maxrecursion wrote: post #69
aidos wrote: post #66

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I don’t know how long ago that was so it’s hard to say “things are different now”, but my 11 year old can’t take the school bus without having a mobile app for her ticket.

Holy crap, that's insane. Whoever made the decision that all middle school children need smart phones to ride the bus is an idiot.

Or a basic “product” person who will get their engagement metric met.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by jen20 »

mkl95 wrote: post #3

I get phone prompts of random work stuff 24/7. At least the stuff I got as a teenager was meaningful.

- Get a work phone, paid for by work, with nothing except work on it

- Turn it off when you are not working

- Refuse to install anything related to work on your personal device

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by jen20 »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #144

According to the media hysteria of any given moment, teens are always inundated with one new threat after another, and maybe they sometimes even really are, but they deserve a bit of credit for resilience, and in any case i'd call this one fairly mild in comparison to historical dangers. Compared to past worries like military conscription (often deadly), mass state propaganda, and the crazy political cultures of deca…

Have you considered a career in AM radio broadcasting?

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by jen20 »

swayvil wrote: post #80

Many sites ask me (just after the cookies) if they can "send me notifications". I always opt to block of course. However every place I shop at takes the sales conversation as an invite to a marketing conversation. That's 90% of my emails. If business was a dog it would be flatulent.

My browser (Safari) has an option to prevent websites asking for notifications. I could imagine that not all do, but having that seems order-qualifying for using a particular browser.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by phanimahesh »

saganus wrote: post #247
FridgeSeal wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have an iOS device, so can’t speak for Google, but I suspect that’s what Apple has been _trying_ to do. The problem is that these apps are essentially adversarial in their notifications. If you have a mechanism for “only the most essential notifications”, then they simply mark all their notifications as “essential” (looking at you Uber). Try to limit their notifications using “only is summary” or disabling them and…

I use Glasswire (Android) and block apps from accesing the internet, when not using them (e.g. Uber). It's a bit of pain to turn it on before use, and off again afterwards, but I've realized it's much less stressful than having notifications popping up at all times. YMMV

Appears to be unmaintained. Not available for newer. Android versions. Any alternatives people tried and recommend?

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by Narishma »

anigbrowl wrote: post #192
thenerdhead wrote: post #34

Jonathan Haidt has done a great job advocating this problem and is writing a book coming out this next year called "The Anxious Generation": https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/phone-free-schools https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/sapien-smartphone-repor... https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/social-media-mental-ill... This isn't something that can be solved with "better tech". It is something that is solved with…

It is something that is solved with "less tech" or "no tech" entirely. i don't believe that. I love technology and always want to have access to a computer (although I also love leaving it off and using paper or analog tools). But I have a pretty unforgiving standard for people-misusing-technology. Last week I went into a store I hadn't seen before, specializing in imported Asian liquors, drinks, cocktail stuff. I de…

How was that rude?

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by disqard »

nothingnew2 wrote: post #158
jacquesm wrote: post #5

Everybody is. I'm strongly of the opinion that all this 'needy tech' is a net negative and I try hard to keep it out of my life. But some of it, mostly associated with my kids schooling, is very hard to avoid. 10 emails per week about some school portal with 'an important message' (which you need to separately logged into, of course the message is so important that it can't be entrusted to mere email, even though the…

We have been ensnared by our own technology. https://netfuture.org/2001/Nov1501_125.html

Thank you so much for linking this!

I've had an intuition that much recent ouroboric "technology for technology's" sake is actually more pernicious that it appears to be (at first glance).

Reading that essay helped crystallize the "why" behind that feeling.

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