Live data from Hacker News

macOS Sonoma is available today

apple.com

411–420 of 691 posts

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

#411
post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you can create a "New Secure Note Item"

Is this in Passwords or the Notes app? I tried Notes app with the Lock but it requires another password while I want it all under the FaceID/iCloud password like the settings-passwords Is there a secure note option in passwords - mine all require username web url and password.

it is the Keychain Access app

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

#413
post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

Context? Homebrew is working fine on Sonoma here. I do not get that or a similar message.

Apparently hating on homebrew is super popular right now. I run brew on osx and linux and have zero issues.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

#414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh man, it gets worse than that. After updating to iOS 17 the other day, I said to my phone "play OverCast" (my podcast app). It used to start playing from that app. This time, it started playing a band called Overcast, and told me I had just started a 7 day free trial of Apple Music. What the actual fuck.

brb, starting a band called "Spotify" and opening a 24/7 convenience store called "Google Maps"

https://i.imgur.com/RfFM4cr.jpg

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

#415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These warnings keep getting longer every homebrew release. You may want to try macPorts, which goes out of their way to explicitly support releases all the way down to 10.5.

One of the cooler experiences I've had with MacPorts was seeing some people go out of their way to ensure builds still worked on PPC Tiger and PPC Leopard. I remember seeing SBCL builds broken on Darwin/ppc for a long while, and eventually SBCL decided to drop support for Darwin/ppc altogether. Still, these ports maintainers did not give up and eventually found a way to fix SBCL builds on PPC: https://trac.macports.o…

the issue i found is that you have to basically rebuild your basic unix network tools from the ground up, including ssl and curl and so forth, because the TLS version used by the builtins on 10.old.whatever, not to mention the certificates, no longer work with modern websites and FTP sites are slowly dying off. then you have to figure out which version of those tools are compatible with each other and with 10.version.you.are.using

there are a lot of scripts out there to mitigate this but the boot-strapping is always a bit of a bother. like the script i wrote, my first instruction was "So... you go download chrome for 10.x for PPC... you can find it here in the old forgotten wasteland of google on a deserted old site that might not exist much longer... and by the way this is not secure at all"

like, you just cannot do this securely. cellularmitosis has made leopard.sh linked below, of course the first step is to download from an http site.

its kind of one of those things that have changed about the web, the cultural shock.... nowdays basically so much is based on an account, or at the very least ssl. back then nobody gave a **.

so to actually use a g5 on the modern web, like ... can you log into a video site to watch a video? well only if you dont care about being hacked when you type in your user id and password to the video site. can you shop? only if you dont care about being hacked. same.. can you browse literally anything? google will constantly harass you into logging in. so will basically everything else. and if you dont your experience will suck.

can you... write code for a g5 and try to back port modern algorithms to it? sure just log in to .. .github... on your.. insecure machine that could easily be hacked. and lose your github account to hackers. then you can cry about it after you login to social media. on your hacked account. so maybe not. then you can post about it on hacker news... where of course your account has been hacked by a keylogger.

if your machine doesnt crash because someone installed a bitcoin miner into it, or a tor node, or bittorrent or god knows what that could get you arrested.

the modern web is just such a pile of degenerate criminality and scammers and thieves and robbers, not to mention the spy agencies of various governments, that basically that is the main thing driving old systems off of it. its not that its not possible to optimize code or write new code for old platforms. its that the basic machine running an old OS is compromised at a fundamental level, open to the world for exploitation if you dare to type anything into it that is the least bit private or confidential, and its connected online.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

#416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once again a good time to remember that there were multiple perfectly good package managers available when Homebrew was invented, they were more future-proof (by eg not putting files in /usr/local), and everyone only switched to it because for some reason Ruby programmers wanted all of their tools to be written in Ruby (and possibly by people with waxed mustaches.)

I switched to it because it worked much better out of the box and required next to no fiddle-fucking to install tools I need, so I can spend my time doing what I'm actually paid for, and good at. I have no idea whether the alternatives improved in the intervening 10-ish years, any I have no good reason to look into it since homebrew still works.

That's great until homebrew breaks in some fucked up way (which a few years ago it used to do often), or they break a package (ditto) and you try to report that to them, and they act like insufferable little shits back (and don't fix the problem.)

It reminds me of my boss emailing gnu.org to tell them one of their mirrors was down and got a nastygram back that said "It's spelled GNU/Linux" and the mirror went unfixed.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

#417
post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People switched to it because MacPorts was constantly broken and took ages to install new packages due to compiling everything.

MacPorts has provided binaries for many years at this point.

It has, but by then they'd already lost many users.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

#418
post #4

For those curious, yes Apple did fix the Sonoma firewall bug reported by Mullvad. https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2023/9/22/macos-14-sonoma-firewa...

Does the built-in Apple firewall allow blocking of specific applications sending outbound traffic? I know you can block inbound traffic per application.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

#419

Does anyone else have no idea what macOS version is which? Which came first? Is there some hidden naming protocol that I just don't grasp? I've only started using a mac part-time while I've been developing an iOS app over the past few weeks, and I keep seeing different names for the OS version. I have no idea what version I'm on, or if Big Sur came before Sierra, or what. I know I could look it up, but it seems that…

Yeah, at this point I wish they'd just use numbers like iOS.

So we're at iOS 17 and macOS 14.

Because honestly I stopped caring about keeping track of the names long ago. It's cute if you care, they can still put it in the About window for the sake of tradition, but it would be a lot more helpful if it were just referred to as macOS 14 in the press and documentation.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

#420
post #68

> The implementations of the exfat and msdos file systems on macOS have changed; these file systems are now provided by services running in user-space instead of by kernel extensions. This sounds interesting! I really wish there was a native FUSE alternative on macOS; just recently I found myself in a pickle due to not being able to mount an ext4 boot volume on an SD card on my Mac at all. (Passing through to a VM wo…

I wish they did something so deleting files from the bin wouldn't take millenia on my iMac Pro. Yes, it's an old computer, but shouldn't that be a solved problem?

I'm genuinely curious, why does this take so long?

I can't even begin to imagine. If I'm deleting 200 files on my M1 MBA, that's still going to take 30-45 seconds.

It's doing something. What is it doing? Does it have something to do with Time Machine or file versioning or secure erase or what?

Everything else is blazingly fast as it should be.

Post reply on HN