iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus • Hacker News Board

Re: iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus

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Post by grecy » Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 8:11 PM UTC

xvolter wrote: post #396

bambax wrote: post #151

> USB-C is going to mean I can get rid of all these lightning cables Bought a Motorola G6 in 2018 for €199. It takes "fantastic" photos, and came in a "stunning new" (!?) color of black(ish). It's pretty much indestructible, runs Firefox with uBlock Origin, and it's "better for the environment" because every year you don't buy a new phone, the environment is happy. It also has USB-C, and a 3.5 jack.

> and it's "better for the environment" because every year you don't buy a new phone, the environment is happy. This seems wrong. I am still on an iPhone Xs Max from 2018 and it still gets software updates. It looks like the last software update on the G6 was in 2020. The lack of even security patches limits the life of the phone for many people. The primary reason I'll eventually need to upgrade is because of 5G sup…

Heck, I'm still using a 6S.

Works perfectly, and I didn't really care when I smacked a ratchet into it and cracked the screen a month ago.

Re: iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus

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Post by arvidkahl » Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 8:12 PM UTC

Looking at the A16 chip and the neural engine on it, I am really happy to see machine learning and "AI stuff" moving onto my phone, away from the cloud.

I can't wait to see phones becoming a place for _useful_ AI use cases — with the privacy improvements of on-device computation.

Re: iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus

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Post by whycome » Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 8:13 PM UTC

gnicholas wrote: post #26

IMO, this was a pretty weak announcement. They spent so long talking about environmental stuff, like getting rid of leather, that it felt like they were trying to pad the presentation to reach a reasonable length. There were a few new things (more optical zoom, slightly smaller bezels), but these were all leaked in advance. I was also disappointed to hear that the satellite stuff is limited to 2 years. Is it going to…

Was it only weak because you knew about the new things in advance? The switch to USBC seems pretty significant. As well as the 3mm chip in the pro models.

Re: iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus

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Post by redbell » Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 8:13 PM UTC

> The fast and efficient A16 Bionic chip brings proven performance to iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus..

> The iPhone 15 lineup offers convenient new ways to charge… Both models use a USB‑C connector, a universally accepted standard for charging and transferring data

Only Apple can do selling like this. It’s clearly that marketing is at its heart or even in its DNA.

Only Apple can sell you a brand-new phone with last year’s chip and still convince you that you made a deal. I admit that the A16 is still at the top of the chips but you get the point.

Only Apple can bring something years old in the Android phones by making the iPhone supports the universal USB-C and keeps telling you about the benefits it brings to the table. Apparently, Apple was forced by the EU to bring USB-C otherwise, we might not live to see this happening. Anyway, I’m glad they did it.

Re: iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus

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Post by car » Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 8:13 PM UTC

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #105

gnicholas wrote: post #26

IMO, this was a pretty weak announcement. They spent so long talking about environmental stuff, like getting rid of leather, that it felt like they were trying to pad the presentation to reach a reasonable length. There were a few new things (more optical zoom, slightly smaller bezels), but these were all leaked in advance. I was also disappointed to hear that the satellite stuff is limited to 2 years. Is it going to…

I didn't see the announcement, but I saw this blurb on Engadget: > The company noted that while leather is popular for things like watch straps, it has a serious impact on the environment, particularly at Apple's scale. Is that actually true? I remember reading a few years ago that there was actually a big glut of leather: people still eat steak and hamburgers, and without a market for the cow hides then that materia…

Leather itself is a driver of deforestation and not just a secondary byproduct.

Why alternatives to leather matter:

Nowhere to hide: how the fashion industry is linked to amazon rainforest destruction [0]

[0] https://www.stand.earth/publication/forest-conservation/amaz...

Also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29433500

Re: iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus

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Post by ipqk » Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 8:14 PM UTC

data-ottawa wrote: post #129

post_break wrote: post #32

USB 2.0 on the 15 is kind of a joke considering it came out in April of 2000. 60hz, USB 2.0, getting a bit dated. I know a bunch of people will excuse it but at that price I think it's not ideal. Oh and RIP 13 Mini, you'll be my phone until I can't use it anymore I suppose.

On the topic of the mini being removed, they also removed the plus and 13/14 Pro models. I wonder if they had a lot of 13 Pro purchases after they discounted it last year, which they felt could have been 14 Pro purchases.

They always remove Pros after a year. See: https://daringfireball.net/2023/09/apples_two-pronged_annual...

Re: iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus

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Post by dubeye » Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 8:15 PM UTC

bombcar wrote: post #11

Honestly for me the best part is the USB-C. Every year it's a new camera, new whatever, but USB-C is going to mean I can get rid of all these lightning cables. Not increasing the price is nice, I guess. Will have to buy more USB-C cables, though. (Technically the low highest end phone is higher, but higher spec, too). It comes with one USB-C to USB-C charging cable - not sure if it is a data cable, also. Pre-order Fr…

I don't get this at all. I use wireless pads in the house and keep one lightening cable in the car. I don't think I'll notice the difference

Re: iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus

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Post by nomel » Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 8:16 PM UTC

bootlooped wrote: post #271

SirMaster wrote: post #184

I understand why they did it. But just my perspective on it, I will have to replace all my lightning cables with usb-c, and the usb-c ecosystem seems like a nightmare to me from what I have seen. This would be my first usb-c device.

For the vast majority of consumers, the usb-c ecosystem is fine. Buy name brand cables and chargers, they're fine.

That's not the greatest advice. I saw my mom charging her phone with a fat, meter long, USB-C cable. I asked her why she was using such a short cable. She admitted it was annoying to use. She said it was $35, but it was fast charging! It was a 100W 10Gbps cable.

Re: iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus

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Post by cypress66 » Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 8:17 PM UTC

FumblingBear wrote: post #43

I know a lot of people are apprehensive about the Apple Vision Pro, but seeing that I'll be able to take Spatial Videos with the iPhone 15 Pro Max was a huge feature for me. I can't see myself ever taking those videos with the headset itself, but if I can do it from my phone and re-watch the videos later, that's a massive QoL improvement imo. That alone makes the upgrade worth it for me since I'm planning on picking…

I personally find stereo/3d video basically no more immersive than regular video. I wouldn't bother putting a headset just for that.

It needs to be like VR 360 video where you can look around to be worth it.

Re: iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus

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Post by dahwolf » Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 8:17 PM UTC

The entire announcement is an exercise in masking that they're running out of ideas.

Excessive lectures on environmental footprint. Lots of cultural/humanitarian story telling, a pile of non-relatable tech info where they only briefly showed the embarrassing "up to 10% faster", dull/static presenters with their fake excitement.

Even the Pro model, typically the only model where they might add some actual features of any significance just to seduce you to pay more, is now nothing more than an "extra bling" model.

No fresh new demos of 3rd party developers either. All of this shows the maturity and advanced state of the platform.

Here's an idea that would actually impress all of us regarding environmentalism: user-replaceable batteries. As simple as it was 15 years ago. And no, I'm not interested in tech apologies about glue or there not being space. There's space. It's purely a matter of will.