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For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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That is laughably naïve. Plenty of parents think their little angel can do no wrong and will at best ignore evidence to the contrary.

While I do agree with you here, I do think the OP has a point. Homeschool parents are _involved_. Its a small, close community. Word gets around.

> Its a small, close community. Word gets around.

That describes lots of communities where abuse is epidemic.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Throwaway for sensitive topic. I came here to write your comment and was thrilled to find it already here. As a homeschooled kid who considers myself damaged as a result, I completely agree. The OP comment is eerily similar to stuff my parents said in the 2000s-early 10s and were totally wrong about. My parents weren't religious at all and were totally in it for academic enrichment. They were all about the "new wave…

I don’t normally comment on this sort of thing (I don’t have kids, am not precisely “normal” (whatever that is) and dislike speaking publicly on sensitive topics, anonymous or otherwise), but this touched a nerve for some reason, so I’ll throw a couple of things out there for you to consider: 1. Parents are not the only ones who push their own desires and beliefs. Thought experiment: how many members of the group tha…

> 1. Parents are not the only ones who push their own desires and beliefs. Thought experiment: how many members of the group that decides the curriculum vote Republican or Independent? Scuttlebutt (unverified by me) is that most folks in US schools and on US school boards are Democrats. Regardless of one’s opinion on political matters, that (if true) would suggest a certain uniformity of thought, and the likely presence of a conscious or unconscious agenda that would then get passed on, deliberately or otherwise, in the resulting curriculum.

Have you taken a look at the news anytime in the past year? "Republicans don't have any influence on school curriculums" is a wild departure from easily observable reality, so much so that I think it kind of renders this comment beneath serious consideration.

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The prevailing culture in large city public schools turns those ideas on their head. The focus is on individual self-actualization, and questioning authority, hierarchy, elders, and norms. It’s about what society owes individuals (“rights”) instead of what individuals owe society. There’s a veneer of cooperation and obligation, but it’s framed in terms of what “privileged” (whites, the rich) owe everyone else, not wh…

I went to American public schools in the 1990s, in a very moderate county. Several teachers joined with the students to protest the county’s attempt to impose a dress code. And what does Fox News have to do with anything?

That sounds like a healthy school in which some teachers think the dress code was bad. Simple as that.

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The argument about lack of socialization from failure to attend public school might have some basis. But thinking back, I came out of the public schools with some pretty anti social behaviors and attitudes that I picked up there. Being cool is so important at that age in that setting. I often wonder what life would have been like had I been taken out say, age 12 or 13 and given a more solid education to match my natu…

The socialization argument is nonsense. Schools as factory farms came first -- with no regard for socialization -- then the socialization argument was made later to rationalize it. Forcing kids (by constructing their environment in such a way) to have only relationships with kids that are precisely the same age as them is weird . Some healthy relationships with people who are a few years older in positive. Older kids…

Yeah things were much better when most people were illiterate but Protestants had to go and mess it up with their ideas that people should be able to read.

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“They have no oversight, no taxpayer accountability, no academic or curriculum standards,” said Beth Lewis, director of Save Our Schools Arizona, a public school advocacy group. “We don’t know what kids are learning.”

The irony is deep with this one.

It could be rephrased “They are not recognising our gatekeeper status nor participating in our bureaucratic processes and frankly that is just not fair. We especially object to our loss of exclusive access to tax payer funds. The idea that the tax payer themselves could have a direct say in how those funds are used in educating their children is just outrageous.”

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Plenty of kids learn to read almost on their own, just by being read to some and getting very basic feedback from adults. Young minds are like a sponge, you just have to engage them and provide corrective feedback and they teach themselves. You only need to be a teaching ninja when you've been tasked when educating children who don't want to be there and aren't interested in what you have to say.

And many more kids simply don't.

> You only need to be a teaching ninja when you've been tasked when educating children who don't want to be there and aren't interested in what you have to say.

Way to blame the child for teachers failure. Yep, even motivated interested kids needs actual teaching. But yeah if you don't provide they loose motivation and you can then blame them.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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“They have no oversight, no taxpayer accountability, no academic or curriculum standards,” said Beth Lewis, director of Save Our Schools Arizona, a public school advocacy group. “We don’t know what kids are learning.” The irony is deep with this one. It could be rephrased “They are not recognising our gatekeeper status nor participating in our bureaucratic processes and frankly that is just not fair. We especially ob…

The hubris here of their "we know what's best for your child" assertion is astounding.

"We don't know what kids are learning" is a wonderful thing to hear from a government rep.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Home schooling is a real burden on many parents who aren't professional teachers of course and are pulled in many directions. One of the most exciting emerging trends in home schooling is to pool the resources of multiple home schooling parents. It's simply not practical for parents to commit all the hours needed for full time home schooling 9 till 3:30PM every day. So home schooling parents can team up and share the…

>This means the kids gather together in one location because many kids can learn from the person doing the teaching. >Often as well it makes sense for the parents all to contribute a little money so that instead of the parents having to teach things that they are not expert in, the can pay as a group for someone with subject expertise to assist. >It can be problematic though gathering so many kids into one house for…

That's what most home schooling parents are trying to replicate, problems and all.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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If a kid is a bully then the parents organizing the group can kick that kid out (as a last resort). Additionally if a child is being bullied they can tell their parents and the parents can take action directly, this can happen publicly but there's a lot of layers of administration making it non-trivial. In a way the group homeschool can be thought of like a small private school, it's just simpler to handle personal p…

> If a kid is a bully then the parents organizing the group can kick that kid out Or they can approve of the bullying. Or they can do nothing because they don’t care, or because they’re socially subservient to the bully’s parents. It’s simpler to handle personal problems in a small group, it’s also easier for them to fester in a closed group.

It’s not a closed group. You can pull your kid out and put them in a different group. It’s not like public school where your kid is forced to go to the one school in your catchment area.

The parents also have the option of reorganizing the group to kick the bully’s parents out, along with the bully.

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