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Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

scarface_74 wrote: post #406
lnxg33k1 wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Firefox consistently trying to find ways to show you ads? Are they working on technology that helps profiling you? One thing is funding, keeeping independence, another is controlling

They get 80% of their funding from Google. Do you think they are going to change to a “privacy first” search engine? And Firefox already supports Google’s WideVine DRM https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-drm What makes you think they won’t support this?

Are you sealioning me?

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Post by prox »

Mindwipe wrote: post #348
c0l0 wrote: post #5

I feel like I have to repeat this, since so much is at stake here, where it is about the preservation of the web as we know it today, at the peril of having it turned into yet another walled garden: The only way around the dystopia this will lead to is to constantly and relentlessly shame and even harass all those involved in helping create it. The scolding in the issue tracker of that wretched "project" shall flow l…

The battle is already lost legislatively. Multiple US states, France, Germany and the UK are going to make the web unnavigable unless you type your credit card number or scan your face for age verification in two out of every three sites. We are going to need to at least try to create ways to secure those credentials in as zero trust model as possible. (Note that the legislation is a disaster, but it is done. Nobody…

Time to build a fresh web. Get me my hypercards!

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Post by gdtfmaster »

encody wrote: post #186

It's small, but here's a real actionable item that you can do to help: Put a gentle "Use Firefox" (or any other non-Chromium-based browser) message on your website. It doesn't have to be in-your-face, just something small. I've taken my own advice and added it to my own website: https://geeklaunch.io/ (It only appears on Chromium-based browsers.) We can slowly turn the tide, little by little.

Good suggestion, did that, thank you.

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Post by timeon »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #396
timeon wrote: post #380

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I rarely use google maps so haven't noticed. Only thing I really miss from OSM based services is street-view.

Its really bad, it takes almost a minute for the site to "stabilize", and even then, default text in the search bar is overlaid with whatever you're typing, a good 30 seconds to load a destination. A chrome browser on the same device has maps behave almost instantaneously.

That really sounds like intentional.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

threatofrain wrote: post #386
mozball wrote: post #26

If this isn't the straw that breaks the camel's back, there is never going to be one. Google needs to be broken up. They own the browser market. They own the web (through Adwords). They own Search. They own mobile. They own most of the video sharing market with 2.5 billion monthly annual users. They own a good chunk of email with 1.2 billion monthly annual users. They have amassed an incomprehensible amount of power…

What would it mean for Chrome to be spun-off into a separate business? How would it survive?

Google Ads and Search would have to pay Chrome for search placement. Just like they do to Mozilla right now.

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Post by izacus »

tolmasky wrote: post #197

Mozilla should call for Google's removal from the W3C over this implementation of Web Environment Integrity. "But Chrome has 65% market share, what good is the W3C without them?” If Google can take unilateral action to fundamentally change the basic principles of the web, then the W3C is already useless. This will give Google a clear choice: if they want to maintain the idea that the W3C matters, they should withdraw…

It didn't happen when Apple did it with Safari (and you all were quiet as a mouse as well, with HN actively defending Apple Safari monopoly with this feature enabled)... so why would NOW be any different?

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Post by thesuperbigfrog »

supernikio2 wrote: post #284
Ygg2 wrote: post #272

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Future web will require you to have certified browser - Chrome ™, to access the web. It will require certified OS Windows™, running on trusted Hardware TPM™, running trusted firmware CIA™. You'll have no choice and your love will be mandatory. This won't stop malware of course. However a skull clamp will be installed to monitor your thoughts and you will be zapped if undesirable thoughts are detected. Note: it's a hy…

Can Google really do this? What if I'm using Safari on OS X, or Firefox on Linux?

If your choice of operating system and web browser are not WEI-compliant, you can expect something like:

"Sorry, this site requires a certified web browser.

Your browser does not meet the security requirements that this website requires.

Please upgrade to the lastest Google Chrome and remove any uncertified plugins."

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