If a lot of popular JS library's break on purpose if the browser passes the check, then any browser that passes the check is unusable.
Web Environment Integrity API Proposal
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#412Earlier quoted context omitted.
counterargument: let's say the us gets in a real war with china, a massive conglomerate like google would probably make massive contributions to cyber/technological warfare that the individual pieces would have a hard time doing i agree they should be broken up, but it might be the wrong time for it.
Google can intercept nuclear ICBMs? Because if they can't, nothing they do would really matter in a real war against China. (And saying that actually "it would probably not escalate that far in a real war because... It just won't! " might be a common argument these days amongst war mongering lunatics to make war with China or Russia sound less batshit insane, but it's not an actual argument. It's just run of the mill…
Why do you assume a war with China would inevitably escalate to a nuclear apocalypse?
It seems more likely to be fought in Taiwan conventionally then on either country’s turf.
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#413Earlier quoted context omitted.
counterargument: let's say the us gets in a real war with china, a massive conglomerate like google would probably make massive contributions to cyber/technological warfare that the individual pieces would have a hard time doing i agree they should be broken up, but it might be the wrong time for it.
what are Google going to do to China? throw ads at them?
Yes information on the worlds largest search engine , video repository, and browser definitely have zero value in wartime
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#414Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. The solution is very simple: uninstall Chrome and Chromium. We are the people with the most influence on the tech. We are prescriptors. We are legion. – Yes but Chrome is a tad faster and I have my bookmarks and my favorites extension and blablablabla… — Then you are the root cause of the problem. If you are not ready to sacrifice an ounce of comfort to save the web, then you are the one killing the web. Simple:…
> The solution is very simple: uninstall Chrome and Chromium. No. Firefox, beyond being slower, also keeps constantly displaying ads… for itself. Want to open a new tab? “Big Browser cares about your privacy, read how!” I just want to open a new tab!!! I’m working! Restarting? “Discover what’s new with Firefox”, “Hohoho, we care about your privacy, LOOK HOW MUCH WE CARE! ALSO WE HAVE NO ADS!” Worse, they suggest to s…
There isn't a moral dimension attached to loving the right kind of people and gay and straight people are equally moral in pursuing relationships with significant others. On the other hand there is a moral dimension to trying to take away our fellow citizens rights. The CEO as the face of the org became unsuitable to his role when he acted publicly and objectively immorally in support of those who would gut the rights of his fellows
He wasn't on the wrong side of a political issue he was on the wrong side of decency and morality. This ought not to be a leftist position nor should we fear that the tyranny of excessive concern for others may be imposed upon us. Should we decide to use Firefox for evil as it were the privacy both endorsed and adhered to by Mozilla precludes them discovering it let alone stopping us.
The position of user of Firefox and public face of Firefox are inherently different positions and come with different reasonable expectations but I think you knew that.
> it’s dangerous to use or even give your participation to that ecosystem.
Please describe precisely the threat model you fill most applicable
> keeps constantly displaying ads
For a definition of constantly redefined to mean rarely when a new major version comes out.
> They keep performing worse actions than Google all the time.
The context here is that google tracks everything you do and regularly shares it with the government including under terms that are obviously abusive of user privacy and including to repressive governments, are in the middle of attempting to destroy ad blocking by pushing locked down environments in the name of security. A move likely to have massive implications that will be impossible to manage or control in repressive dictatorships even if Google themselves do nothing to directly assist with mass surveillance in Orwellian states. Merely building general purpose tools virtually guarantees bad usage by repressive regimes. By contrast Mozilla has? Tried to pimp their VPN to you as part of their new version notification...
It really sounds like the Brenden Eich debacle has colored your perception of the situation and perhaps you need to step back and evaluate the situation objectively.
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#415> ... This creates a need for human users to prove to websites that they're human, sometimes through tasks like challenges or logins.
No I do not? This sounds incredibly condescending as a user – I don't need to prove anything.
Their example of Play Integrity API is alarming because that essentially means either use this OS and this browser which has been verified only by us or we will not allow you to use the internet (SafetyNet vibes)
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#416Earlier quoted context omitted.
> who is finally putting their foot down and deciding that we are all going to be forced to either used fully-locked down devices The person who wrote the proposal[0] is from Google. All the authors of the proposal are from Google[1]. I've been thinking carefully about this comment, but I really don't know what to say. It's absolutely heartbreaking watching something I really care about die by a thousand cuts; how do…
Vote with your clicks. Google doesn't want me to install an ad-blocker on my phone, so I'm not browsing the ad-infested websites. And for the current integrity checks: If a site wants me to solve a captcha just to view it, I close the tab and never visit the domain again. In fact, I already close the tab when I see Cloudflare checking my browser. Let the corporate web die.
Firefox on android has unlock origin support.
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#417Earlier quoted context omitted.
We could at least get everyone here to use Firefox. There's really no excuse for a technically minded person to still be using Chrome for their day to day browsing. If you do eventually run into a poorly crafted webpage that doesn't work on Firefox you have the wherewithal to decide if you are simply not going to use that site or hop over to chrome just this once. But the important thing is checking in automatically…
I use Vivaldi (not chrome itself but another Chromium browser) because I want PWA support on my Linux machine so I can have an app for outlook with notifications and Chromium browsers make that far more convenient than Firefox.
If your sole holdout for using a chromium browser is an outlook app, I suggest you go looking around the keyword "email" in your package manager.
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#418This is pretty much the inevitable end-game of the web, in no small part funded by ad-based business models (as the analog gap pretty much destroys most attempts to use this stuff to do copy protection) and enabled by developers who have insisted we shove as much difficult-to-implement functionality (by which I am talking about CSS complex stuff, not powerful-but-easy-to-code APIs for OS-level access) into the browse…
> who is finally putting their foot down and deciding that we are all going to be forced to either used fully-locked down devices The person who wrote the proposal[0] is from Google. All the authors of the proposal are from Google[1]. I've been thinking carefully about this comment, but I really don't know what to say. It's absolutely heartbreaking watching something I really care about die by a thousand cuts; how do…
As long as online advertising is a primary source of revenue for many companies, the internet is going to increasingly have less degrees of freedoms.
Probably the only solution is to bring harsh legislation against the very existence of online advertising. I don't know what that legislation would actually look like and how it can be done ethically.. but the alternative is probably worse.
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#419The chess pieces for the end-to-end unblockable ad machine are in place. You'll have the cynically named "Privacy sandbox" that builds tracking directly into the browser. You curtail ad blockers by capping browser extensions. And then you allow access only to "attested" clients. Inescapable tracking and unblockable ads. And you'll get to see ever more of them over time. If this isn't evil enough in itself, the way Go…
The clockwork of the web is tainted more orange by the minute
I'm stealing this
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#420Earlier quoted context omitted.
I use Vivaldi (not chrome itself but another Chromium browser) because I want PWA support on my Linux machine so I can have an app for outlook with notifications and Chromium browsers make that far more convenient than Firefox.
If your sole holdout for using a chromium browser is an outlook app, I suggest you go looking around the keyword "email" in your package manager.
I’m not stupid, of course I tried that first
Essentially this doesn’t work because every email client I tried can’t handle the specific way my work email account does authorization and the login always fails. They also blocked POP/IMAP so that’s not an option either. No one else in a team of software engineers figured out a better way to access email so for now this is the best option