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Post by rglullis »

mauvehaus wrote: post #368
MattGaiser wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, public institutions have long been criticized for not communicating where the people are. Notices posted on their own website are unlikely to read by anywhere as broad an audience. Plenty uses newspapers, but even my grandparents get stuff from Twitter before the paper now, if just from younger people sharing it with them. I agree Twitter shouldn't be the only channel, but it is where the people ar…

The answer would seem to be POSSE - Publish on your Own Site, Syndicate Everywhere https://indieweb.org/POSSE

If only we had a standard to make syndication of data simple, I mean really, really simple. It had to be so simple the standard could even be called Really Simple Syndication.

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Post by robot_no_421 »

rchaud wrote: post #296
dbg31415 wrote: post #141

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> This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :( Totally! The internet was better before pay walls / auth walls. I get why we're here today, and I get that the last phase was just about acquiring an audience, and getting people hooked, and now this part of getting everyone to pay was always the plan, but this part really does suck. Just feels like all the services lined up to start shitting on users at the same…

If P2P micropayments could somehow have succeeded, then a different Internet could have been possible. Tipping content creators directly is impossible without megacorporations taking a cut, be it Apple, Paypal, Patreon etc, and their unit economics work better with recurring payments, which lands us in subscription hell. One would almost be tempted to ask for a cheque in the mail like in the old days.

Cryptocurrency almost solves this, but the scaling issues and high knowledge barrier to entry is still holding this idea back.

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Post by medler »

Waterluvian wrote: post #137
dkokelley wrote: post #134

Honest question, should services that host user generated content be obligated to provide that content "for free" through APIs or scrapers? On one hand, users created the content "for free" for the platform to use and monetize. On the other hand, providing the content through an API without any ad/monetization potential doesn't make good business sense. Is there an acceptable threshold of free viewing before it becom…

No because the user generating the content isn’t a virtue of any sort. They’re just doing free work for a company. If they choose to do that, that’s their choice. In fact I think this is good. It makes it very clear that no, it’s not your content and no, you don’t deserve any rights just because you feel like you own it. Twitter will do as it pleases with “your” content. I would very much welcome a far more informed…

You own the copyright to your own tweets. When you tweet you give Twitter a license to display the tweet, but you still own it. This is all spelled out in the Twitter terms of service.

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Post by labster »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #143
jamesgreenleaf wrote: post #7

Musk commented on this: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674865731136020505 "Temporary emergency measure. We were getting data pillaged so much that it was degrading service for normal users!"

"Data pillaging", WTF does that mean? Remember when Twitter used to give archives of tweets to the Library of Congress? And had a firehose for folks to consume as many tweets as they could?

It means Musk wants OpenAI to pay him.

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

Solvency wrote: post #409
zmmmmm wrote: post #337

It always irked me that public institutions embraced Twitter as a primary means of communication in many cases. It never seemed right that a private company was being put in between public functions and the the public which depends on them. Not to mention, since I live outside the US, a private company in another country. I even wrote complaints to one local public body to ask them to set up a communication channel t…

I mean... for decades, the public institutions instead relied on private TV networks to do all of their communications. And propaganda. And they still do. How is Twitter any different than FOX News or CNN?

They weren't "private" TV networks. They are licensed by the government to use our airwaves, which are accessible by all (except CNN, which is cable).

There's a big difference.

Governmental and public institutions should not be relying on Twitter for their communications. It's unprofessional at the very least.

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Post by sneak »

vhcr wrote: post #362
MattGaiser wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, public institutions have long been criticized for not communicating where the people are. Notices posted on their own website are unlikely to read by anywhere as broad an audience. Plenty uses newspapers, but even my grandparents get stuff from Twitter before the paper now, if just from younger people sharing it with them. I agree Twitter shouldn't be the only channel, but it is where the people ar…

I don't see why they can't do both, have an official website (with RSS), and automatically share the links on Twitter.

Setting up an official website with RSS that allows nontechnical users to securely post in real-time costs time, money, and expertise.

Signing up for a Twitter account is free and can be done by literally anyone in the organization.

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Post by charcircuit »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #143
jamesgreenleaf wrote: post #7

Musk commented on this: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674865731136020505 "Temporary emergency measure. We were getting data pillaged so much that it was degrading service for normal users!"

"Data pillaging", WTF does that mean? Remember when Twitter used to give archives of tweets to the Library of Congress? And had a firehose for folks to consume as many tweets as they could?

If someone donated an art piece to a museum does that mean that anyone should be allowed to steal from them?

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Post by rglullis »

nunez wrote: post #110

This killed nitter. Fuck. I guess I'm done with Twitter. Reddit is in Eternal September. Twitter is login-walled. If HN is next, I'll probably be mostly done with the Internet. This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :(

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I'm at least glad that people will start looking into the alternatives.

The next lesson they need to learn is TANSTAAFL. Nothing good can come with an internet where publishers are paid with eyeballs. We need to rescue the idea that "voting with your wallet" is the best and fairest way to have quality content.

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Post by lolinder »

sneak wrote: post #416
vhcr wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see why they can't do both, have an official website (with RSS), and automatically share the links on Twitter.

Setting up an official website with RSS that allows nontechnical users to securely post in real-time costs time, money, and expertise. Signing up for a Twitter account is free and can be done by literally anyone in the organization.

These days setting up a website costs $16/mo[0] and is so simple my 70yo father-in-law did it. I'm pretty sure most public agencies can find that in the budget.

[0] https://www.squarespace.com/pricing

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